Re: [PSES] EN 62368-1 (LVD)

2015-11-04 Thread Brian O'Connell
That is within the grand plan of the empire. The OJ has now listed EN62368-1 in the LVD harmonized standards list. 60950-1 has not be assigned an 'expiration' date per the standards list (as of last week), but there are dates in the standards themselves. TUVR, ETL, UL, etc have web pages that pr

[PSES] Cd exemption for art material

2015-11-05 Thread Brian O'Connell
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52015XC1028(01)&from=EN The chemical principle of local concentration vs equilibria, and likelihood for direct exposure to users, seems to have been ignored. Brian Sr Janitorial Assistant For the Vulcan Science Academy - ---

Re: [PSES] One DoCs vs multiple DoCs

2015-11-06 Thread Brian O'Connell
Makes little sense to this simple mind. The manufacturer's D of C has nothing to do with any particular NB, and an NB cannot issue a product declaration per meaning of ISO17050-1, -2. The D of C could, and should, cite the NB's report as basis for presumption of conformity to particular directiv

Re: [PSES] Mil-Std-461G

2015-11-06 Thread Brian O'Connell
According to a speaker at an EMC society chapter meeting, final release for 461G at end of 2015. The last draft for review was published in March 2015. There are still no test methods for Klingon cloaking device interference. If feeling adventurous, project reference is EMCS-2013-001. The comman

Re: [PSES] Information on UL TIL No, C-41

2015-11-24 Thread Brian O'Connell
Dunno, as has been at least three or four years since any appliance work done, but do remember problems with this document. The SCC indicates the requirement here: https://www.scc.ca/en/ord/551 But the CSA standards store (at least when last looked) had no such standard available. In general tec

Re: [PSES] EN 61000-4-8 test for medical equipment per EN 60601-1-2

2015-11-30 Thread Brian O'Connell
IEC60601-1-2 points to the IEC61000-4-X and -6 stuff for immunity, and IEC60601-1-11 extends EMC stuff for home healthcare equipment. The latest edition of -1-2 has some interesting stuff about test levels in annex E, and all medical EMC is based on intended end-use environment with no allowance

Re: [PSES] Electronic Products used in Automotive Compliance

2015-11-30 Thread Brian O'Connell
'Cars' and 'busses' are two different regulatory subjects. Requirements standards can range from nothing to ISO 26262 (nee IEC61508); and from nothing to CISPR25/VCA for EMC. And happen to know that Crestron has, or did have, more than one compliance engineer. Your local compliance engineer sho

Re: [PSES] wet environment AC termination

2015-12-01 Thread Brian O'Connell
Not aware of specific products, but as you probably know, NEC section 330.10 has stuff for wet environment. UL has CCNs for this particular classification, but cannot remember. Brian From: Adam Dixon [mailto:lanterna.viri...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LI

[PSES] REACH substance list

2015-12-07 Thread Brian O'Connell
For the additional substances published in June 2015, is there an associated effectivity date that a company must publish a so-called 'REACH-163' statement, even where the additional chemicals are not part of construction? Thanks, Brian -

Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2015-12-09 Thread Brian O'Connell
Thread has some good artifacts of compliance engineering philosophy. But industry has determined some resultant intended side effects. 1. EMC standards and limits are referenced by some electrical efficiency regulations to determine if scoped for a product. 2. Some AHJs and governm

Re: [PSES] EN55032 definition of residential environment

2015-12-10 Thread Brian O'Connell
Do not disagree with this point, and the Klingon High Command has forbidden disagreement with Mr. Woodgate, for many a good reason of canon, there is this: "This generic EMC immunity standard is applicable if no relevant dedicated product or product-family EMC immunity standard exists." It woul

Re: [PSES] Internal connection labels in 220VAC systems

2015-12-15 Thread Brian O'Connell
Do not disagree in principal, but the Type Tests and construction requirements of L/N/PE terminals vs L1/L2/N terminals can vary with the scoped product safety standards and building code. Brian From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:0

Re: [PSES] CISPR11 Ed 6 (FDIS)

2015-12-23 Thread Brian O'Connell
Have also been looking at this for the 6th edition: " Its emission limits apply now to low voltage (LV) a.c. and d.c. power ports, irrespective of the direction of power transmission." As CISPR11 is the family standard for 'ISM', scope for PV stuff seems intended. And there is also IEC61000-6-3.

Re: [PSES] pre-compliance spectrum analyzer

2016-01-08 Thread Brian O'Connell
Dunno, perhaps you might want to look at this stuff: http://value.rohde-schwarz.com/vi/value/emc-precompliance.html Keysight nee Agilent nee HP is recommending the N9000ACXA for pre-comp; and have seen on ebay for under $14k USD. Am an EMC amateur, and do very little pure EMC work, but prefer th

[PSES] spacex EMC tst engr job

2016-01-14 Thread Brian O'Connell
Saw this on the SpaceX web site. http://www.spacex.com/careers/position/8459 damn, makes me wish that my specialty is EMC. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a mess

Re: [PSES] EN 60065 clause 8.17 TIW

2016-01-21 Thread Brian O'Connell
Not certain of your end-use construction, but for 60065, " Conductive parts, covered only by lacquer, solvent-based enamel, ordinary paper, untreated textile, oxide films or beads are considered to be bare...". Wire rated as DI or RI can be considered adequate (IEC60950 anx U and/or UL2353), but

Re: [PSES] Webshop/sub-supplier fpr Korean and Taiwanese Standards

2016-01-26 Thread Brian O'Connell
Also, forgot to let ya know that after December 2015 (that would be now for those that believe time exists), KN22 and KN24 will no longer normative for Korea. Brian -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:54 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Su

Re: [PSES] Webshop/sub-supplier fpr Korean and Taiwanese Standards

2016-01-26 Thread Brian O'Connell
Have never seen an 'official' translation of Korea standards, but the IECEE published a table for clause-equivalent differences and the EU trade site has published several guidebooks. Also, your side of the pond has entered into a formal agreement with Korea regulatory bodies to enable easier (

Re: [PSES] Highest clock frequency in a device.

2016-01-28 Thread Brian O'Connell
See terminology in 47 CFR 15.33, similar stuff in CISPR32. Brian From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:16 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Highest clock frequency in a device. I was looking through standards I have but ca

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] AU CISPR 22 Class B Interpretation

2016-01-29 Thread Brian O'Connell
Correct - CISPR22 not scoped for automotive end-use installation. And there is additional stuff for ambulance (60601-1-2), where there are additional immunity and emissions requirements. Also, class A stuff will probably degrade P25 and TETRA radio systems. Methinks mundane ACMA requirements no

[PSES] NRTL invoices

2016-02-11 Thread Brian O'Connell
Starting last year, noticed that some NRTLs are charging twice for same audit. For example - same equipment category, same file reference, but getting charged factory FUS audit fees for both audit of products in production and 'Production Ready'. Previously, was charged for PR audit only when no

Re: [PSES] NRTL invoices

2016-02-11 Thread Brian O'Connell
cts. The compliance engineering community should push back. No longer view many compliance agencies as being part of a sustainable and rational economic model. Brian -Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:31 AM To: Brian O'Conn

Re: [PSES] NRTL invoices

2016-02-11 Thread Brian O'Connell
ement in the construction report. Brian -Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:27 PM To: Brian O'Connell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] NRTL invoices When I was hosting the FUS, I had a rule that inspection

Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter

2016-02-16 Thread Brian O'Connell
Reference articles 250 and 690 of the NEC (NFPA70). Canada and Mexico code similar. Brian From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 9:05 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter Dear experts, Is anyone fa

Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter

2016-02-16 Thread Brian O'Connell
-PDFs/SAV4704.pdf Brian -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:28 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter Reference articles 250 and 690 of the NEC (NFPA70). Canad

Re: [PSES] Agilent/Keysight repair sources?

2016-02-17 Thread Brian O'Connell
Typically, your calibration contractor will be the repair facility of 'choice'. And many test equipment rental companies have in-house repair shops that will do outside stuff. Brian From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:42 AM To: EMC-PS

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] 47 CFR Part 15 Subpart B / ICES-003 applicable/mandatory for an industrial personal computer?

2016-02-18 Thread Brian O'Connell
Generally agree, but government people can be capricious. For several years, have loaned a 'measurement device' to customers having issues with interfacing our stuff to their stuff. The device is marked "Property of the Empire. For Test and Evaluation Only". The device is a small plastic box wit

Re: [PSES] Energy in certain items

2016-02-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
Assume reference is to nitroglycerin; approximately 1MJ resultant release for construction-style (25 cm/200gm) stick. 'Gasoline' is not determinate but can probably be found in CRC. Brian -Original Message- From: Macy [mailto:m...@basicisp.net] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 9:59 AM

Re: [PSES] Energy in certain items

2016-02-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
Played with this stuff in the military. TNT is NOT the composition of industrial or military 'dynamite'. Typical dynamite, at least the stuff we played with, is cornstarch binders +oil +TNT+RDX; and there were some compositions that were buffered with sodium carbonate. Dynamite, depending on th

Re: [PSES] Energy in certain items

2016-02-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -----Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:44 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Energy in certain items

Re: [PSES] Energy in certain items

2016-02-22 Thread Brian O'Connell
Actually ΔE ≈ Δmc2, but not relevant because energy (for ICE) is based on available molecular bond energy, so Sir Isaac’s kinetic models will prevail. Although probably relevant for a small percentage of photonic energy released during explosion or rapid combustion. Brian -Original Me

Re: [PSES] Audio monitoring for automotive EMC testing

2016-02-22 Thread Brian O'Connell
Had to do this for an Asian LE and fire LMR radio customer, and the metrics are sometimes referenced as 'psychoacoustics' (we called it psychotic acoustics). And Ken is correct, this is difficult stuff to measure in a consistent and reproducible manner. Should reference ITUR468, unless the cust

Re: [PSES] Ancillary Equipment per EN 301 489-1

2016-02-23 Thread Brian O'Connell
The adjective ancillary is intended to mean auxiliary or subordinate. An EPS or battery can be considered as non-effective 'ancillary' equipment only where the selection of various models or sources do not affect the outcome of the EMC or safety reports. Brian From: McDiarmid, Ralph [mailto:

Re: [PSES] Recommendations for DC-DC converter

2016-02-25 Thread Brian O'Connell
Concur about below vendors and Ed's comments. Need to look at the power supply installation instructions and Conditions of Acceptability. Wrote some install instructions for a model series stating that output is floated, so grounding of output not recommended unless noise currents returned to/u

Re: [PSES] Reliable means to attach thermocouple to object

2016-02-26 Thread Brian O'Connell
Generally agree, but be careful with using a spray-type application for the accelerant. Prefer to use an eye dropper. Had a tech, while doing tests for UL5085-3, that caught a small linear transformer on fire because the (very volatile) accelerant had not completely evaporated after spray applic

Re: [PSES] Reliable means to attach thermocouple to object

2016-02-26 Thread Brian O'Connell
UL and CSA have published specific procedures and material recommendations for T/C use in Type Tests. Most NRTLs have some type of CIP program where a sample power supply is sent to a company lab to verify test technique via TRF data veracity. So the moral of the story is to use whatever techni

Re: [PSES] IEC 61010-1 and VDRs in OVC III environments

2016-02-26 Thread Brian O'Connell
Would think that the normative reference would be IEC61051-2 for IEC/EN61010-1 report and requirements. UL1449 only referenced in UL61010-1. Cannot remember specifics, but SPD classifications not exactly same. SPD type can be determined by national differences, where used in equipment panels, a

Re: [PSES] Reliable means to attach thermocouple to object

2016-02-27 Thread Brian O'Connell
concern the high operating > temperature may bring negative effect to solder joints (become soft solder > and cracked joint during vibration) and other components such as solid state > capacitors and electrolytic capacitors, etc. > > Regards. > > Scott > > > >

Re: [PSES] Insulation testing

2016-03-03 Thread Brian O'Connell
Correct –> CSA No. 0.4 specifies 40A test level. Brian From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 11:52 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Insulation testing I've always thought the Canada requirement was 40

Re: [PSES] Standards for Photo Voltaics Inverter

2016-03-03 Thread Brian O'Connell
Just remembered that OP was asking about immunity, not emissions, so change IEC61000-6-4 to -2. Brian -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 1:59 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Standards for Photo Voltaics Inverter Assum

Re: [PSES] Standards for Photo Voltaics Inverter

2016-03-03 Thread Brian O'Connell
Assumption that this is EMC question. Insufficient information on your inverter enviroment. For industrial in U.S. could need to look at part 18, otherwise look at the normative references in IEC61000-6-4. For office/residential micro-grid, just the mundane CISPR22/24 and 47CFR15 stuff. If this

Re: [PSES] IT Product Compliance Requirements in Egypt

2016-03-10 Thread Brian O'Connell
New registration requirements (991/2015) in effect for Egypt. Look at GOEIC regulations, probably on the Trade and Industry Ministry site. Egypt tends to adopt and harmonize with EU stuff, so import cert with declarations per the applicable directives, and the respective 3d party reports is wha

Re: [PSES] NEBS GR1089 for Remote Radio Heads

2016-03-10 Thread Brian O'Connell
Joe is probably the subject-matter expert for this stuff. My NEBS experience is based on the grand total of ONE project. Depends on the carrier/provider. Some service providers now use their own (internal) version of GR-core standards. While original NEBS not scoped for pole-mounted stuff, the n

Re: [PSES] Will the ECJ end the New Approach?

2016-03-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
People more familiar with the Brussels mime and actor troupe needs to expound. But for U.S., the IEC-based standards, even where adopted by ANSI and listed by the OSHA NRTL site, cannot be released to the public domain because the original IP belongs to an NGO not financed by the public. Suppose

Re: [PSES] EMCD: Alternatives to Harmonized Standards?

2016-03-30 Thread Brian O'Connell
Did some PV stuff before EN62109-2 published. Wrote the report in-house; much was based on the IEC62109-1 and UL1741 assessments, with some additional construction and Type Test data stuff. EMC was just good ol' CISPR11,22, and 24 stuff, along the usual suspects (V and frequency tolerances, THD,

Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-04 Thread Brian O'Connell
Off the top of my pointy head - CSA No 223, UL1310, UL1741 are examples where this marking phrase could be required. There are no known Klingon national versions of any standards with this warning statement. The meaning is literal, but 'indoor' is typically defined via the IP rating that would b

Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-05 Thread Brian O'Connell
The current *style* is the Risk Assessment. The RA is an assumed probability. Dunno, as much of the supposed 'probability' for failure does not map well with resultant MTBF numbers. The sample space is not the probability space, but probability space does contain a sample space. American enginee

Re: [PSES] "For indoor use only" on External Power Supply

2016-04-06 Thread Brian O'Connell
ield data to do LDA or Weibull. Otherwise, we have no way of reliably predicting (at least until a product recall must be issued) the long-term effectiveness of implemented safeguards. Brian -Original Message- From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Wednesda

Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] EU's new approach directive transitions

2016-04-13 Thread Brian O'Connell
Not much reading of machinery safety stuff. Does ISO13849-1 or IEC62061 list ISO12100 as the normative ref for RA? Per equipment not scoped by machinery directive, what would be rationale of using ISO12100 as basis for presumption of conformity? Thanks, Brian From: Gary Swale [mailto:gary.sw.

[PSES] rescind effective dates in 'UL' standards

2016-04-13 Thread Brian O'Connell
UL finally understands that their 'effective' dates is not authoritative (for those not on this side of pond, use of new version of safety standards belongs to OSHA or the controlling governmental agency for that type of equipment). Typically, OSHA does not set obsoletion dates for safety standa

Re: [PSES] IEC60950-1, Table 2N - creepage

2016-04-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
Power conversion equipment companies have traditionally been very conservative with PCB material ratings. Over the last 25+ years, have noticed significant variability in the mechanical, chemical, and electrical properties of resist for PCBs used in power conversion equipment, all from reputable

Re: [PSES] power quality monitors/analyzers

2016-04-22 Thread Brian O'Connell
PQ monitor is not same animal as power analyzer. If for "occasional field use", do not understand your I/O requirements. For PQ/datalogging, make my own stuff. For power analyzer, tend to prefer Voltech and Fluke. Note that Voltech PAs were transferred to Tektronix. Rent the most likely candida

Re: [PSES] “Design It In!”

2016-05-11 Thread Brian O'Connell
Gave a (extremely) short intro at APEC on the *design* of Type Tests for power conversion stuff. There were two experienced (grey beards) design managers that both expressed surprise at the depth and difficulty of standards analysis and its effects on compliance testing. And based on my experien

Re: [PSES] Transformer insulation class

2016-05-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
1. intended market? 2. end-use equipment standard? 3. Class 'B' does not indicate that the windings or insulation can be anywhere near 130 degC (max of 120 allowed). Class 155? My employer adopts recognized EISs published by the major suppliers for our transformers - see the UL materials databas

Re: [PSES] Transformer insulation class

2016-05-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
>From my experience, the European NCBs seem happy to accept construction >reports using an UL-recognized EIS, which may be part of the reason for that >IEC60085 application statement. Should be noted that the STC for UL1446 is >'forking the project' for distribution transformers. Reason is that

Re: [PSES] Transformer insulation class

2016-05-19 Thread Brian O'Connell
Dunno if this is understood. For typical component SMPS per 60950 or 62368, evaluation of the transformer is same regardless of the material thermal class required. For the over 100 power supply submittals done last ten years, did not see any significant difference in assessments whether class 1

Re: [PSES] fire safety test methods for different country standards

2016-05-21 Thread Brian O'Connell
Rich, Congratulations on your IEEE Fellow appointment. Do we address you as ‘Sir Richard’ ? The tablet was probably trioxane solid fuel; typically in a tablet or bar from-factor. See Mil-F-10805. In addition to being used for heating C-rats and MREs, were also used for gas mask training by ign

Re: [PSES] Question regarding clock jitter specification

2016-05-25 Thread Brian O'Connell
Similar articles, but somewhat different view: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/scaa120a/scaa120a.pdf https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/4466 'Jitter' is both a specification and a measurement method that is specific to the equipment and the protocol. Its use for EMC characterizati

Re: [PSES] High Voltage target for measuring currents of HV events

2016-05-26 Thread Brian O'Connell
Interesting. Two questions: 1. Is the discharge actually multi-path(parallel), or is the image exposed for period of time where multiple, sequential streamers were recorded? 2. Would there not also be significant current flowing that is less than the 1MHz rating of the probe? Brian -Origina

Re: [PSES] High Voltage target for measuring currents of HV events

2016-05-26 Thread Brian O'Connell
: Brian O'Connell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] High Voltage target for measuring currents of HV events The first picture of Doug is not so surprising...  The next one with the blue corona cloud and ‎at least three discharges is interesting. Was the HV increasing on a ramp of

[PSES] another MDD question

2016-06-01 Thread Brian O'Connell
Appreciate the link to last med standards list per OJ. You people deserve an excellent burrito for lunch. Noted that EN60601-2-12 still has no withdrawal date and nothing for EN80601-2-12. But there are some EU states have published national versions of EN80601-2-12 that indicate a DoW for EN60

[PSES] why compliance engineers hate the WWW

2016-06-08 Thread Brian O'Connell
Love the internet as a platform; hate the WWW. A customer pointed me to the below link as an authoritative source. Told the sales manager that the customer's purchasing manager needs to let his engineers make technical decisions and to restrict his WWW use to viewing cat videos and working on hi

Re: [PSES] fire safety test methods for different country standards

2016-06-08 Thread Brian O'Connell
Different things. 100VA for Class 2 and 3 stuff (see UL1310/CSA223 and UL5085-3), and 240VA is for LPS (see 2.5 in 60950-1). There are other numbers for some industrial stuff. The energy limit for a good burrito, based on empirical data, is approximately 400VA Brian -Original Message-

Re: [PSES] fire safety test methods for different country standards

2016-06-08 Thread Brian O'Connell
Moi hath misspoke, as 240 VA is part of SELV requirements (Canada national dif) and the limit for a 60Vdc mains, and definition for hazardous energy level for ITE. Brian -Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:21 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LI

Re: [PSES] fire safety test methods for different country standards

2016-06-08 Thread Brian O'Connell
The 15W is the *dissipated* power level to determine if PIS. The standard is somewhat ambiguous because it uses the term 'location' in definition, but 'circuit' in 6.2. Brian -Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 4:58 PM To: EMC-P

Re: [PSES] For Your Information NRTL Directive Draft and Comment

2016-06-09 Thread Brian O'Connell
Nothing that follows necessarily represents the opinions or policies of my employer or my dog; and certainly not my cat. Did a quick browse (ok, not so quick - took several hours for the transformer temp to stabilize). But will have to clear with senior management before more of my thought-provo

Re: [PSES] E8358A Agilent Network Analyzer repair

2016-06-14 Thread Brian O'Connell
Mr. McAuley, Has been my experience that the better test equipment rental companies and calibration labs have the more competent repair shops. Would not recommend shipping your instrument across the pond. Brian -Original Message- From: John McAuley [mailto:john.mcau...@cei.ie] Sent:

Re: [PSES] Power Supply Safety approval

2016-06-15 Thread Brian O'Connell
Responses to various thread posts below. Assumption is that the wall wart is not certified as a component, but as end-use item, and is Class II construction. 1. " A example: the 60950 power supply does not necessarily meet insulation requirements (among other requirements) of the 60065." Class

Re: [PSES] Power Supply Safety approval

2016-06-16 Thread Brian O'Connell
len-heath.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:01 AM To: Brian O'Connell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Power Supply Safety approval Hello Brian. The wall wart psu is class II construction and is LPS/LCC. The CB report for the power supply was issued under the responsibility of UL and spe

Re: [PSES] US Source for "RCM" Labels

2016-06-20 Thread Brian O'Connell
Dunno. You might consider incorporating the RCM onto your existing marking nameplate, and not use a separate label. The ACMA has downloadable artwork. And 4417.1 requires that the mark be next to the model ID. Brian From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Monday, June 20, 201

Re: [PSES] AMA Warns of Harm from LED Streetlights’ Blue Light

2016-06-22 Thread Brian O'Connell
Found the AMA release here: www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/news/news/2016/2016-06-14-community-guidance-street-lighting.page Almost ten years ago, saw an article that AMA says color over 3000 K not good. And much external LED stuff seems to be 4000 K or more. Am still waiting for data indicating actua

Re: [PSES] AMA Warns of Harm from LED Streetlights’ Blue Light

2016-06-22 Thread Brian O'Connell
LED assembly typically powered by CC source (essentially DC), so should be no mains-frequency flicker. There are some dimming schemes using constant freq/variable duty cycle, but the unless the off period is very long, freq should be too high for persistency of human vision. The cheaper drivers

Re: [PSES] Definition of "Independent Circuits"

2016-06-22 Thread Brian O'Connell
Have never seen this in a product safety standard, but the phrase is commonly used in building code (see NEC -> NFPA70). For building code, would be where derived separately from the distribution panel and/or distribution transformer. Independent circuits do not have to be older than 18 years.

Re: [PSES] FCC Part 15 vs 18

2016-06-24 Thread Brian O'Connell
Use of part 18 depends on whether the RF being emitted is being used to 'do work'. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 2:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC Part 15 vs 18 How different are the

Re: [PSES] earthing through PCB traces

2016-06-27 Thread Brian O'Connell
And an additional note that the CSA No. 0.4 test done at 40A. Brian From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] earthing through PCB traces PS: UL/CSA 60950 always required a limited short circuit test from CSA

Re: [PSES] EMO vs EPO

2016-06-27 Thread Brian O'Connell
At least for myself, ‘do not want to’ may be an inappropriate specification, so ‘should not’ or 'shall not' for the below cited case would apply to my ilk. EPO is common usage, while EMO can have several meanings, so is dependent on context. FWIW, U.S. OSHA regs only use the term 'emergency sto

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread Brian O'Connell
This was the general sentiment for the same discussion we previously had on this, which was memorialized in EDN or ED (do not remember). Am not certain that many standards are developed with public monies, as the ANSI, ISO, and IEC are NGOs, so the EN/UL/CSA/etc adoption of a national version o

Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] Fire requirements in standards

2016-06-29 Thread Brian O'Connell
Generally concur. Even for a 61010-1 shop, there will be times when you will need this if an incorporated component is assessed to 62368-1. Also might want to consider the 'rationale' publication (TR62368-2). Another good source for learning the HBSE stuff is all of the PSES symposium stuff - fo

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM - off topic

2016-07-06 Thread Brian O'Connell
standards bodies will run compulsory 14-day total immersion courses in the appropriate language. But they will be free of charge. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England We live in exiting times -Original Message

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM - off topic

2016-07-07 Thread Brian O'Connell
ise in any specialty. Which is why, as common engineering practioners, we grovel and beg our employers for the time and money to attend these august gatherings. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:25 PM To: Brian

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM - off topic

2016-07-07 Thread Brian O'Connell
-Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 5:09 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM - off topic Greetings to Human-unit RalphMcDiarmid, Suppose that you could be

Re: [PSES] Using 60 Hz isolation transformer at 400 Hz

2016-07-08 Thread Brian O'Connell
Think of it in terms of hysteresis loss and eddy current, which are proportional to freq. Eddy current loss would depend on construction (hi-R magnetics and lam thickness). Might want to verify xfmr temp. And it may be noisy. The biggie is to never use a 400Hz xfmr at 60Hz (core sat). If you a

[PSES] medical immunity reference

2016-07-08 Thread Brian O'Connell
Anyone read the new TR60601-4-2:2016? EMC pros wanna provide an over-view statement and/or critical clause notes for us plebeians? Thanks, Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussi

Re: [PSES] Oscilloscope probe calibration

2016-07-11 Thread Brian O'Connell
Z mismatch can cause peaking errors for hi dv/dt signals once you get over several hundred kHz. Probe calibration only valid for a specific scope model and a specific probe, for a specific combination of scope settings. Remember seeing some app notes from Tek or Agilent on probe calibration; and

Re: [PSES] Applicable standards for hoverboard in EU

2016-07-13 Thread Brian O'Connell
While NRTLs are allowed to apply just about any standard deemed 'necessary', should be noted that 2272 not yet recognized by ANSI. My opinion - no discernable rationale for a new and separate safety standard for "electric-powered self-balancing scooters". The 2272 proposed standard is essential

Re: [PSES] Help [General Use]

2016-07-15 Thread Brian O'Connell
My professional advice for Mr. Coleman is to press the Big Red Button. Brian From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 12:31 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Help [General Use] I can understand that anyone in Basildon would cry for help

Re: [PSES] Applicable standards for hoverboard in EU

2016-07-15 Thread Brian O'Connell
" It may be that the authorities that be decided that they wanted a step-by-step guide on how to make these scooters safer and a standard specific to the scooters accomplishes this task better than proposing an existing standard." Sounds reasonable, and would be willing to accept that rationale

[PSES] Turkey

2016-07-15 Thread Brian O'Connell
One of my customers was having problems contacting Turk import authorities. Told them they might have to wait a while - another coup d'etat in progress. Brian - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Brian O'Connell
By 'NEC", will assume that the reference is something like NFPA70 or 79. There are, as we all know, many other elements of NFPA construction requirements . NFPAs can reference ANSI, IEC, NEMA, ASME, IEEE, and other standards; and many ANSI, NEMA, and IEEE standards reference one or more NFPA ele

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-25 Thread Brian O'Connell
lace safety. Brian From: msherma...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 6:02 PM To: Brian O'Connell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US NEC is specifically NFPA 70, otherwise known as the National Electrical Code. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App

Re: [PSES] Safety requirements in US

2016-07-27 Thread Brian O'Connell
Power supplies intended to be built in are subject to regulations that would scope the end-use equipment. Battery charger and EPS efficiency standards and test methods and regulations are developed by the DoE/EPA and/or the CEC. Both embedded chargers and external chargers are covered. USB C mu

Re: [PSES] NEC 2017

2016-07-28 Thread Brian O'Connell
Mr Perkins, Aware of the article 725 changes and other code stuff that would track this? Brian From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:47 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] NEC 2017 Mike, et al,    Tha

Re: [PSES] SAFETTY FEATURES controlled by ....SOFTWARE

2016-08-03 Thread Brian O'Connell
Dear Hardware People on the third rock from Sol, Software beings (self included) are idiotically clever and tend to be rather subversive. We can devise profoundly evil schemes that can 'go around' fault conditions in electrical components that forces our equipment to pump out giggle watts of po

Re: [PSES] SAFETTY FEATURES controlled by ....SOFTWARE

2016-08-03 Thread Brian O'Connell
but there is still a microcontroller or DSP core in there that is a serial Von Neumann machine. So code safety assessment remains a dog's breakfast. Woof. Brian -Original Message- From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:06 AM To:

Re: [PSES] SAFETTY FEATURES controlled by ....SOFTWARE

2016-08-03 Thread Brian O'Connell
Please beat a rapid and clear path to the local expert at your preferred conformity assessment body. In the meantime, read UL1998, IEC61508, MISRA, and perhaps UL991 for FIT. And there is another IEC standard for power systems SIL that cannot remember. As for my employer's stuff - my 'tactic' h

Re: [PSES] SAFETTY FEATURES controlled by ....SOFTWARE

2016-08-04 Thread Brian O'Connell
Whom considers Ada (the language name is not an acronym) provably correct? How do you prove the program is deterministic? What if a Verification Condition is not proven? Is the code incorrect? Is the assertion not correct or incomplete? Does P = NP ? SPARK 2014 did attempt to address some of thi

Re: [PSES] EU OJ today

2016-08-12 Thread Brian O'Connell
Mr. Pickard, thanks much for link. Et al, am confused - is this saying that 1221/2009 (ISO 14k and 17k stuff) is now part of a marking directive? Brian From: Ronald Pickard [mailto:ronald.pick...@compoundphotonics.com] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 8:38 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subjec

Re: [PSES] EU OJ today

2016-08-12 Thread Brian O'Connell
1:16 PM To: Brian O'Connell; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: EU OJ today Hello Brian, I don't think this is new. The oldest reference I have is from November 2013. However, this is just because my files on the subject don't go back further. I believe these have been harmon

Re: [PSES] Spark Ignition Source

2016-08-16 Thread Brian O'Connell
Is typically two different things - the ASTM E2019/EN13821 MIE stuff or the Mil stuff based on an LEL mix. Has been a very long while since these tests were witnessed, but do remember that the MIE tests can be rather sensitive to the shape of the VI curve per time, so L needs good control. Reme

Re: [PSES] Automotive EMC

2016-08-21 Thread Brian O'Connell
What is a "compliant report" ? Brian From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 9:38 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Automotive EMC Hi David, Appreciate your clear guidance! UN ECE R10.05 is only for products that are defined as immunity-re

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