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Customs returned the shipment to USA as non compliant.
Chuck
From: Ralph McDiarmid
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 6:01 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
[THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER]
How would the customs folks in those
: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China
I believe you are correct.
Simply shipping the wrong cord types to certain locations is actually
prohibited, and in general, including incorrect types could be viewed as
endorsement of their use in other areas. A thing that should be simple, now
How would the customs folks in those countries check appliance line cords ?
Do they open boxes, pull contents, and inspect?
If the USA plug is not rated for higher voltage, does it really present a
hazard ? (compliance vs safety) The USA/Canadian plugs have a LOTS of
creepage distance
Yes,
I did find this topic on the EMC-PSTC archive. And yet it seems to come up
over and over.
Best regards, Doug
Douglas E Powell
Laporte, Colorado USA
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 9:39 AM John Woodgate wrote:
> I seem to remember this subject being extensively discussed about two
> years ago.
I seem to remember this subject being extensively discussed about two
years ago. The bans on 'alien' cords are indeed enforced, and some
authorities were extremely unhelpful in finding solutions, e.g. not
allowing products to be shipped without cords, which were added in the
country of
I believe you are correct.
Simply shipping the wrong cord types to certain locations is actually
prohibited, and in general, including incorrect types could be viewed as
endorsement of their use in other areas. A thing that should be simple, now
gets complicated.
On occasion, I've heard
Hello Doug - Wow I had no idea that this issue existed. Thanks for bringing
it up!
As I understand that the inclusion of incorrect cords in a package spreads
the incorrect
conclusion that ALL of the cords are suitable for use. Did I get that right?
On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 8:00 AM Douglas Powell
I'll add a little more to my post.
Our Compliance Department works with many different "Design Teams", so how
involved we get during the development of any project depends a lot on the
Team Members. Those who have been burned in the past know to get us
involved early and often. Those projects
Thanks Brian, I appreciate it.
It was a team effort, and I provided regulatory guidance. The team was
very receptive to my recommendations, and it shows. BTW - I forgot to
mention, it went from an prototype to certification in 4 months time. In a
few of my past lives this would have taken six
Doug,
This is a huge accomplishment and you and your entire design team should be
very proud. A celebration of some kind would be expected. For companies
like ours who have been making the same type of products for many years, we
usually pass safety inspections in the first pass because we know
June 2021 00:47
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday question
Hi Doug:
My employer had a course entitled “Zero Defects.” We were encouraged to apply
it to our function. Mine, of course, was safety certification and all that it
entailed. Good course as it wanted
Hi Doug:
My employer had a course entitled “Zero Defects.” We were encouraged to apply
it to our function. Mine, of course, was safety certification and all that it
entailed. Good course as it wanted a scorecard for each activity.
Using the scorecard, all my submittals went
Fortunately, I had the full support of upper management and use of pretest
facilities in-house (a lot of which I built). I dealt with varied product types
across multiple compliance disciplines, environments & countries. Some products
were variants to some degree and others were new designs.
I
The reason I asked this question is because a company I have been
consulting with for the last 4 months, has this week successfully had their
80 kWh energy storage system reviewed and tested for a UL 9540 listing.
This a startup company and they achieved first pass certification of their
product.
Amusing indeed.
I have a few private answers about companies who have succeeded, but I
suspect that many new products that passed first time were mainly variants
of exisiting product lines. My question was about new product introductions.
I am know several design engineers who have learned by
Dear Doug,
Very interesting question and I would like to know it as well. Suggest to
go to the testing lab for the answer. They should have the statistics in
their business.
Would you mind sharing why you want to know it, what for? Although I do
not have the figures I am aware of the answers
Amusing anecdotes so far, but no answers for Doug yet.
Over the years in a time long ago (retired for a few years now) I gained much
success with first time submissions with experience (relationships with labs &
agencies were also important for this).
The big continuing annoyance was with
Well said!
From: rwell...@wellman.com
Sent: 25 June 2021 21:49
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday question
A man in a hot air balloon realized he was lost. He reduced altitude and
spotted a woman below. He descended a bit more and shouted, "Excuse me, ca
You made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people
beneath you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same
position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my fault."
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Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 12:46 PM
To: EMC
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Second hand info.
A colleague of mine, Mark Nave, was hired as an EMC engineer by Network
Appliance in the early 2000s. He took them to regularly passing the first
time through.
After awhile, the VP who hired him retired or moved on, and the new VP
didn¹t have the history of not passing
Hello Bernd,
Yes the table does show up in several standards and IEC 60950-1 was one of
the first where I saw it. I have notes going back to the early 1990s from
the time when the standard was known simply as IEC 950. Since then it was
renamed IEC 60950 and later IEC 60950-1. Now it has been
could get philosophical and call time a dimension? (Would that be translation along the Serling axis?) Ed PriceWB6WSNChula Vista, CA USA From: Douglas Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:50 PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSubject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question Rich, Many industrial robot
and call time a
dimension? (Would that be translation along the Serling axis?)
Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA USA
From: Douglas Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:50 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question
Rich,
Many industrial
Rich,
Many industrial robots have six axes or more. They are often not described in
the Cartesian manner you are using as the robot actually operates in a set of
spherical coordinates. They still use x, y, z, by convention, but often you’ll
also find x1, y1, z1, x2, y2, z2, etc.
Doug Nix
Friday, July 22, 2016 10:50 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question
Hi Rich,
> ps: Three or more axes? I know x, y, and z. What are the additional axes?
I've heard about six axes robots. I think they are the three translational
axes, i.e. left/right, up/down, b
ciates Rayleigh England
Sylvae in aeternum manent.
From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:31 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question
Well, it was certainly not autonomous and therefore not a robot. It was just
projection of
Hi Rich,
> ps: Three or more axes? I know x, y, and z. What are the additional axes?
I've heard about six axes robots. I think they are the three translational
axes, i.e. left/right, up/down, back/forth, and the three rotational axes which
may not be aligned with the translational axes.
Woodgate <jmw1...@btinternet.com>
Reply-To: John Woodgate <jmw1...@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:18:10 +0100
To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question
The definition is clearly out-of-date; it doesn't even cover an autonomous
lawn-mower.
The po
lto:ri...@ieee.org]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:29 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question
ISO 8373 defines robot as "An automatically controlled, reprogrammable,
multipurpose manipulator programmable in three or more axes, which may be
either fixed in place or mob
Well, it was certainly not autonomous and therefore not a robot. It was just
projection of force from a remote location. We have been doing this since
the first caveman picked up a stone and chucked it at a rabbit, or another
caveman. It is arguable whether it is good for the republic (what’s
ISO 8373 defines robot as "An automatically controlled, reprogrammable,
multipurpose manipulator programmable in three or more axes, which may be
either fixed in place or mobile for use in industrial automation applications."
My Roomba doesn’t fit this definition. First, it is only
The definition is clearly out-of-date; it doesn't even cover an autonomous
lawn-mower.
The police device wasn't a robot, let alone an autonomous one. They could have
used an unmanned police vehicle or a shopping trolley. There are no ethical
issues beyond the general one of the
All this talk makes me want a R-O-L-A-I-D-S.
-Doug
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
ralph.mcdiar...@ca.schneider-electric.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:10 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday question - RoHS
What not just
:Re: [PSES] Friday question - RoHS
I prefer 'Roz', or if I get a blank look 'Rose'
Definitely not 'Rosh', as I find (a lot) people who pronounce it 'Rosh' spell
it that way in documents / memos etc.
Best Regards,
Dave Coleman AIIRSM
SELEX
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