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On Aug 17, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Igor Chudov wrote:
This machine is really a great CNC machine, not some kind of weird
slapped together contraption. It was built for CNC from the start. EMC
made it really shine.
i
That's a very good point and sound advice.
After reading this thread I
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I'm giving a free CAM webinar tomorrow Wednesday the 21st.
You can sign up here:
http://tinyurl.com/2abvkua
I'll use Rhino, RhinoCam and T-splines to make a part. With videos to show the
machining.
So if you are not familiar with Rhino/Rhinocam and or T-Splines then this is a
quick intro.
I
I'm using RHinocam with 2,3, and 4 axis ops and it never crashed the
tool or had a software malfunction.
I am very happy with that. www.mecsoft.com
Rainer
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:45 PM, a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote:
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I want to ask about CAD/CAM or just CAM software. There are many CAM
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http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo
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Thanks for posting.
Coolest thing I've seen in a long time.
Response deliberately kept short so the
OT gods are not infuriated to much...
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The temperature of the
extruder will be controlled via a MSP430 micro and a PID loop, with EMC2
setting/reading it via the serial port, this is just a port of the work from
Jeff Epler (http://axis.unpy.net/01198594294).
I bought a temp controller of ebay and must say I am very very happy
as
Don't forget the latency of the opto couplers in the breakout boards...
That messed me up once. They were slow and the speed was high...
At a certain range VERY bizarre inaccuracies started to creep in and
it took me some time to figure out why the heck things went the way
they did.
Needless to
And regardless of your arguments, the one factor which distorts
everything the most is the government involvement.
The Chinese Gov is subsidizing the manufacturing industry so heavily
that indeed it is cheaper to buy a bottle of water filled in China and
then shipped around the world, than opening
If it's a DC servo then you can simply change the polarity while also
swapping the pinout in the encoder accordingly.
I did swap the polarity once only and then looked for a couple of days
for the problem that the drive disabled with the first step...
Of course... the encoder has to be adapted as
Gears have backlash period. And if they don;t have backlash out of the
box... they increasingly will have it.
There's a method of countering that, but it increases wear as it uses tension.
I rely on my steel loaded timing belts instead. I use the type made for the car
industry. Incredibly strong
I'd shift it in the CD software and run the CAM again
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Florian Rist fr...@fs.tum.de wrote:
Hi,
For the first time I have to mill a precise aluminum part and discovered
that the x and y axes of our CNC mill are not properly aligned at an
angel of 90° but show
I'd go for the Opto Board as it gives you more protection from the
harsh stepper environment.
Actually... I'd rather buy a complete one and get on with the project
rather wasting time with such a small part of a machine.
Rainer
I don't want to rain onto this parade, but what has this to do with EMC?
Please visit a forum oriented towards the core of this discussion,
specially considering that the majority of information posted in this
thread is flawed to say the least. Actually it makes my brain hurt.
This might sound
Also consider using differential en/de-coders on each side to
eliminate the influence noise.
It's fairly easy to add those little chips if the signal is not
differential already.
Rainer
On Jul 29, 2009, at 5:42 AM, Sven Wesley wrote:
Do you use shielded cables for your encoders? I know that
The false trips are nearly always due to NOT using screened cables
(including limits) and poor grounding and wiring techniques.
And one MUST use a capacitor at the BOB to eliminate noise created by
the steppers lines.
a couple of yF and a fast cap like a ceramic one does the job to
flatten
I use the one from the picture on the wiki... I followed the
installation procedure and it worked of the bat. I got mine from ebay
for $7...
I edited the wrong hal file and it got overridden again with a
reconfig lol I was to lazy to set it up again...
As I recall it was not a big deal to get
and is perfectely used by all probe progs
using /dev/input/js0.
I can't believe you when you say It worked out of the wiki, sorry.
Chris
Le lundi 6 juillet 2009 18:43:34, Rainer Schmidt a écrit :
I use the one from the picture on the wiki... I followed the
installation procedure and it worked of the bat
:51, Rainer Schmidt a écrit :
Then I am a happy liar who jogs his machine with his JoyPad
When I get to the shop later I'll post my hal file edits and the
message from Linux when it finds my pad.
I might shoot a quick movie how it jogs so you have to stop calling me
a liar and I can start
From that refund I'd buy some books and read up on some 'stuff'.
So I can help myself...
Rainer
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it powers on in the same phase as it powered off, it might pull in to a
spot +-4 full steps from where it was powered off.
No, not 'MIGHT'... it WILL. Been there, tried that... Not even servo
drives like that.
The best solution is to use drives which limit the idle current if
that is
I have a board that maintains encoder feedback to the PC so that Gecko
320 servo drives can be powered down without loss of position.
That's smart! I can't do that. The servo drives are doing it all
Dumb PC had no clue where it is. Then again, I am running Windows with
that OTHER system on
Nothing for 'free' made any sense to me. Here is a link to some
software which has a good bang for the buck:
http://www.vectric.com/
I do a LOT with Rhino and RhinoCam and usually run circles around the
Solidworks and MasterCam folks, but there we are in a different price
range.
Rainer
On Wed,
Aram
go and check this site out: http://www.machsupport.com/. Mach3 runs
under Windows and you will have less problems considering the status
of your information technology knowledge.
Best of luck!
Rainer
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I have a stepper motor with 4 leads. If I measure it with a DC ohm
meter I get a short between the two leads belonging to each coil as
expected but 80KOhm in between the leads of each coil. I expected none
or some mega ohm indication. Is that normal?
Rainer
The original post said that he got 0 ohms for each coil, but that he got
80k between coils. This is in the range I would expect if I were
holding the test leads to the stepper wires with my fingers. That's why
I asked about how he was testing resistance.
I guess I measured my own inner
interwinding capacitance.
Wer viel misst misst mist!
(Who measures a lot might measure 'manure'...)
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Switched load is referring to consumers with switched/electronic power
supplies, nothing to do with manually throwing a switch or something
similar. Loads must be Ohm's loads. Good old resistance. The
regulating circuitry monitors closely what happens with the load and
if that has some strange
Get a 3Phase VFD and as long as you have 220 single phase you will be
ok. I run a 16Inch resaw with a 3HP motor that way.
Good luck!
R
Those guy's are in the neighborhood and have good prices and service:
http://www.dealerselectric.com/
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Gene
Maybe this is a source for you:
http://www.kelinginc.net/index.html
Rainer
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Erik
Christiansendva...@internode.on.net wrote:
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 08:14:20PM +0200, Sven Wesley wrote:
I can get any servo between 36 and 90 V for a decent price.
I want to add
with some shots. It was in
it's ghetto stage at that time.
http://moi3d.com/forum/index.php?webtag=MOImsg=2022.1
Rainer
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Erik
Christiansendva...@internode.on.net wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 07:07:10AM -0400, Rainer Schmidt wrote:
Maybe this is a source for you:
http
Skewered brushes make no sense at all. I agree. Skewered armature
prevents a rapid fall off of the magnetic field and thus yields less
'chatter' if you wish to name it like that. If you would turn the
motor manually over then a 'regular' dc motor would go 'pop pop pop'
over the field boundaries as
I use those with great results:
http://usdigital.com/
The company is rather friendly and I got good advice on what I need
for my application. All fit and runs great.
I stay away from exotic solutions as the source of those usually dries
up rather quickly...
R
As I understand the parsing
G1z1x1y1
is the same as
g1z1
x1y1
or
g1z1x1
y1
or
g1
z1
x1
y1
I am sure that a end of line or cr/lf or any combination is not part
of the parser rules regarding a command structure. I have generated
gcode which has no line breaks in 4MB of gcode. But that runs under
I can vouch for the problems the us imperial system is creating.
There is not a single day in a custom shop I know off where there are
no parts messed up because of conversion problems which simply would
not exist with the metric system. Instead of simply shifting the
decimal point one has to be
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, cmg...@sover.net wrote:
yea, my head hurts too. ... still better than measuring mass in slugs.
But that sounds a lot of fun.
I was eating at McDonalds and gained three slugs! haha
My Favorite unit
The rate of change of acceleration?
The JERK!
Cal
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Shabbir Hussains_hussai...@yahoo.com wrote:
G0 should not be used for cutting. It is only for positioning when the tool
is at safe Z height (out of workpiece and clamps etc.). I have worked with
Fanuc and Siemens controllers. In these controllers when G0 move
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Rob Jansenr...@myvoice.nl wrote:
Andy Pugh wrote:
2009/6/10 Rainer Schmidt lemonn...@gmail.com:
I just visited an exhibition in NYC in the Javits Center and
Bosch/Rexroth were there as well. Nice components! And with the
economy right now... they even talk
Ooohh look! - somebody with experience who's actually been there and
done it too G
Hahahaha
I've give up arguing with pedantic theorists, they always know better,
I'll just get back to doing it too at about +/-0.001 ;)
Wow Steve... that's impressive.
We thought about a way to get rid of
I did once have the job of machining glass to 0.0001mm but that was
done with an Ion Mill so doesn't really count.
I default into Inches However, I am a metric guy who is constantly
annoyed by the US imperial system.
fractions of inches, 12 per foot, three per yard and 95% of the
population
I stopped 'translating' values early on once I moved to the states.
It's just confusing. it's easier to get used to the 'new' system.
But metric is definitely forcing it's way into the door. There are
numerous catalgues I recevied recently which have only metric torque
values and no US imperial
I believe that the proposed silicon sphere Avagadro/kg standard is
95mm +/- 30nm, which is a truly impressive bit of manufacturing.
http://www.acpo.csiro.au/spheres.htm
Owww I LOVE shiny stuff.. that sphere looks marvelous. I could
not take my hand of it all day 8).
And yes, that is
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Kirk
Wallacekwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 11:42 -0400, Douglas Pollard wrote:
... snip
I am a imperial guy who is annoyed with the metric system. I have worked
in metric a lot but still don't know what a meter looks like except that
So once you know what milli, denti, deci and kilo means... you
Sorry... there is no 'denti' lol how'd that happen???
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Is this possible, what card do I need and how the heck do I configure EMC?
Regards,
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http://tinyurl.com/n6ehhl
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On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Sven Wesleysvenne.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Haha! Google is your friend!
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I have the same problem with the mesa site. Just send them an email
and they get you onto the right track. I did the same. I just need
step direction generation better than with my generic
yea, my head hurts too. ... still better than measuring mass in slugs.
But that sounds a lot of fun.
I was eating at McDonalds and gained three slugs! haha
I only like the SI system because there is less to convert.
Otherwise I care less if the base is 1 or 2.54.
There is a fine furniture
One way to get good results with belts is to strobe them at full speed
and watch the first tooth engaged by the pulley. If the tooth is trying
to climb out, it's too slack. That fault often shows after a time as a
line of wear on the pulley teeth near the crest, but it's a bit late
then.
Nice! Good to see that your trip to Portugal has been a success!
Seems to be a nice machine. The benefit of those components is that
you can plop them together rather easily. You can save a LOT of money
welding it, but it's a trade off in labor cost. Cheaper material and a
month of work versus
They quoted the price but in order to pay from credit card they are asking to
fax them the photocopy from front and back of my credit card.
You're kidding me right???
I called them today to figure out what cards do what and which is
supported by EMC. We are looking for more than one... cough
I have bought stuff from them and will again. They work closely
with the EMC community and many, many EMC users use their products.
With all the good feedback I might change my mind and try again to
communicate with them
In case someone insists on the fax of the credit card, make it a
I'm a chemical engineer and dissolve all my problems!
Besides that we designed a timing belt driven CNC machine and operate
it happily.
We use a belt on each side of the long axis and that is about 27 ft.
belt length.
The steel loaded urethane belts are tensioned and sound like a base string.
Ow... slightly more lines than I run 8))). I use it for woodworking
and go for '220 Grit' precision. Sanding works wonders ;).
Any case, the thought is that, if possible, the UI could be run on
another box I'll read up on that in the wiki. As I understand the
system is quite modular. Maybe
15K lines with 6 subsequent runs without exit or reboot and no issues...
I recommend stopping to watch THOSE movies while engraving ;)
Rainer
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Michael Jones
ma...@michaelandholly.com wrote:
Rob,
I've been noticing the same thing lately. Very similar hardware
Haha.. The Belt Stiffness fools many. It's a PU timing belt which is
steel loaded. I tensioned it to 160lbs and the think sounds like a
guitar string. There is NO flex whatsoever. If there would be... most
cars would sink their valves into the cylinders more often than not.
The ratio is 1:3 and
When you can manage to keep the axis running in one direction the
backlash is of no factor. I like the dremel idea. I made a very simple
attachment for the Dremel and my Southbend. Beats the $1000+ for the
grinding attachment for thw three times I used it. However, I was
careful to keep that grit
There may be more elaborate versions but here is my ghetto 4th...
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,11044.0.htm
It has no backlash. Those turntables are all garbage for cnc because
of the backlash. Specially that Phase II China Junk.
It all looks good and costs less but once you try
Orange 8). And a big yes regarding the tactile feedback. The worst are
Apple Keyboards. They are like touching a pork chop in a plastic bag.
I loved to 'hack' the living heck out of the older keyboards. Today I
fear my fingers would jam right through 8).
On the other hand... there are still good
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Mark Wendt (Contractor)
mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote:
Those aren't too terribly expensive either. The ones I peeked at
were about $70.
Mark
$70... HA I'm not paying more than $8...
A few drops of shellack are perfect as well. Being alcohol soluble the
shellack is easy to clean up. Even with the generous shot of Kentucky
Burbon... Mill responsibly!
Rainer
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Rob Jansen r...@myvoice.nl wrote:
Gene, Gary,
I use double sided tape a lot for
Ground the shield only at one end. Why? It is best explained as a
large capacitor which dampens the noise which tries to interfere. If
you ground it on both ends, it becomes a simple wire like each other
one in the bundle and has no real function. The shield does not
protect against the little
I use Rhino and RhinoCam with great success. It works. I have not had
a single crash yet. And the GCode never caused concern.
Rainer
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Rich Amaral
rama...@aes-softwareconsulting.com wrote:
Hey guys,
Can anyone suggest a good CAD package either open source
Just threw my VT100 onto the trash after the keyboard become dodgy and
Emulation through the PC works just as good... I'll still miss it 8).
R
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Dave Engvall dengv...@charter.net wrote:
Anyone that likes/liked Digital products can't be a bad guy. I still
have a
Yes, I have the same experience. This is a smart list! Seems UNIX
keeps the riff raff out... How I got here? Never mind...
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Douglas Pollard dougp...@verizon.net wrote:
I recently posted an e-mail to this list and also posted an e-mail
to another list about
helpful
On Tuesday 12 May 2009, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
doesn't keep all the riff raff out - I am here and grateful for
it :)
:)
Same here Stuart. They even tolerate old farts like me. Amazing...
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Rainer Schmidt
lemonn...@gmail.com
wrote:
Yes, I have
For lights out op I have a power relay shutting the shop off which is
on a port pin A final G-Code and all is in the dark. The PC never
had a problem with it but I recommend a backup in case the HD image
was in a volatile state...
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Frank Tkalcevic
Try it out first. It's not as bad as people make it out to be. If you
add a capacitor and use twisted pair then you are almost certain not
have problems from unshielded stepper power cables. Personally I only
run step and direction and supply voltage to the Gecko's on my large
gantry machine. The
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Michael Jones ma...@michaelandholly.com wrote:
I'm looking at upgrading to 2.3 of EMC using Ubuntu 8.
I did that and it worked as described in the upgrade guide. No issues here..
R
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I just set it up yesterday with 2.3 and no issues whatsoever. All Hal
inputs are triggering and the 'Logitech Ghetto Pendant' works perfect
for what it is!
R
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Michael Jones ma...@michaelandholly.com wrote:
I'm using a gamepad in 2.2.8 as a pendant. I've heard
You will have to be careful as they will talk on other lines. You can
also limit the effect on homing switch issues and things along that
like when you add a ceramic capacitor across the lines of the homing
or similar switches. That flattens out the spikes nicely.
Rainer
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Kenny nekm...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I just upgraded from emc2.2.8 to emc2.3 and it will not startup with my
Logitech Joypad configuration.
I just got my Logitech JoyPad in the mail and had to fiddle with it. I
followed the WIKI and it worked right of the bat.
Dumb question I have not found an explanation so I decided to out
myself als noob here...
Once in a blue moon I am having that 'unexpected realtime error
blablabla' and cant pin point it. I ran the diagnostics for two days
with and without SMI and once in a while it still rears it's ugly
When I studied Chem Engineering I had the chance to work/play on
KL/KI 10's using TOPS 10 and what I learned there regarding spooling,
OS, MultiTasking, Realtime... and so on... leaves the impression that
everything simply went downhill from there. That machine had no
specific CPU cycle. It kinda
use a USB mem stick to carry data. The more the crappy Dell is left
alone the better the behavior becomes. Bad Hardware Design...
Thanks!
Rainer
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:
Rainer Schmidt wrote:
Dumb question I have not found an explanation so I
wrote:
Rainer Schmidt wrote:
Dumb question I have not found an explanation so I decided to out
myself als noob here...
Once in a blue moon I am having that 'unexpected realtime error
blablabla' and cant pin point it. I ran the diagnostics for two days
with and without SMI and once
I have the Shuttle pro with Mach3. Can't live without it.
But a Joystick or JoyPad would do as well. Just positioning with the
keyboard doesn't cut it any more once an external device has been
used. I'll go and get that Logitech Gamepad. The ShuttlePro is also
rather expensive by comparison. I do
I just bought one from ebay for $15. A Logitech RumblePad... Probably
it gives force feedback when you run the bit into a fixture... lol
Rainer
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, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Rob Jansen r...@myvoice.nl wrote:
Rainer Schmidt wrote:
I just bought one from ebay for $15. A Logitech RumblePad... Probably
it gives force feedback when you run the bit into a fixture... lol
Rainer
But probably the fixture will be dented- much like the car is dented
when you
I'm a UNIX guy and actually do not use spaces in anything. But if I
have an input field, then I rely on the validation of the input.
Stepconf allows the space in a profile name but subsequently fails to
fix that up or reject it for later use as filename. I always found VMS
to be the simplest OS.
Thanks for the heads up and the sharing. I was looking at a pendant
and might opt for a self build when you have to fight with all the
stuff in any case The quality of Chinese stuff is a real problem.
Money for nothing.
Again thanks a LOT
Rainer
PS;I would LOVE to have that Pendant running
Great info! I keep that in mind when I will try and interface with
some other circuitry. Now that the USB trap has been mentioned Mr.
Murphy probably moves on to another tricky functionality ;). I also
removed a Firewire card just in case. I'll drop that back in and see
if there is a change. And
Yeahh,,, Card, Driver, Screensaver...
If you set the permissions you can also connect to the X-Server form
another machine within the network. That can show if there is a
software/screensaver related problem is there or a hardware problem.
Rainer
Another Day in the EMC Noob Shop
I got all set up and started EMC just to see it fail.
No real error message. Just that every process is terminating nicely
and that everything is being cleaned up. I fished around for a while
using my newly acquired trouble shooting skill set haha. And I found
After wasting an hour searching I ask the list for help
I try to switch back to the Vesa driver to see if the NVidia driver on
my box is responsible for the fatal timing errors of my little box
here
I dried Dexconf but that dies with a FATAL: Module battery not found.
Obviously I have to
Thanks Lars. That did it. I'm now running the Vesa driver. However, I
am still having the 12ns spikes...
In the Wiki is an identical machine supposedly running emc under RTAI. Sighhh
I removed my graphics card and am running on the internal one. No change.
I took a look and the smi module was
Friggin UPS... I had the same experience. Lead Bat's stink. But what
other alternative is there?
R
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 26 April 2009, Rainer Schmidt wrote:
After wasting an hour searching I ask the list for help
I try
I give up for today. Out of play time 8(((. The last strange thing I
noticed is that I am ONLY having those 120-15 ns spikes running
the Latency test from EMC. When I run the latency test from RTAI in
the testsuite the worst I am getting is 37000. Which corresponds to
other machines
wrote:
On Sunday 26 April 2009, Rainer Schmidt wrote:
Friggin UPS... I had the same experience. Lead Bat's stink. But what
other alternative is there?
R
Sonocells? We had a UPS to end all UPS's in each hole at the old titan sites
I help build in late 61/62. Each cell, was a wet cell nicad
While shutting down the system asked for recovery options I ran
through the 'fix X11' and 'repair packages' option and now all
works
It seems that one has to reboot after the NVidia drivers are
removed... Well
Now I am letting latency run a few hours and see what happens. The
mega
the first super nice warm shorts day in NJ
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 24 April 2009, Rainer Schmidt wrote:
Thanks for the hint regarding the herring...
I took a closer look at the reference you gave and enabled the smi
trick for no avail
Got wireless... hehehe
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday 25 April 2009, Rainer Schmidt wrote:
Thanks! I will try and use the Vesa drivers first then. And yes, I
agree, the source has to be found or all tries to cure the symptoms
will only
I'm having an error I cannot resolve on my own...
The isntrallation runns perfect without any other messages except for
that roadblock from the RTAI
Hints??? nano2count seems to be missing... What can I do besides
running in circles and shouting...
ha
Rainer
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Regards,
Alex
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From: Rainer Schmidt lemonn...@gmail.com
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: [Emc-users] nano2count missing and subsequent
I found the hardware list in the WIKI. According to that the system
should work. I will switch back to the build in graphics card and see
what happens.
Cheers
Rainer
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm in a sort of panic mode here, time's running and I have no G-code for my
parts. I got two Rhino files from a customer and I need to cut the parts in
three because my machine is too short.
version of Rhino and it's possible to export as STEP.
2009/4/21 Rainer Schmidt lemonn...@gmail.com
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Nice comments Doug. That's the spirit!
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Doug Pollard dougp...@verizon.net wrote:
I am am almost 75 years old and some kind of excited about this new
industrial revolution that is creeping up on us all.
My grandson is programing cnc for several
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