Re: [Emc-users] JogWhilePaused Proposal

2013-09-26 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 09/26/2013 01:06 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote:
 Hello,
 Would like to discuss adoption of JogWhilePaused at Next meeting.
...
 Thanks
 TomP ( tjtr33)
More discussion is linked thru GladeVCP Toolchange tag

http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/48-gladevcp/24816-gladevcp-toolchange-by-michael-h?start=10

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Re: [Emc-users] hydraulic servo system

2013-09-23 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 09/23/2013 06:01 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 23 September 2013 03:50, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote:
 Gentlemen,
I want to control a hydraulic cylinder (extension and retraction) with
 LinuxCNC.
 I want to use an axial piston swash plate pump.
 I want to control the swash plate with a servo motor.


Yes, Pegasus and Moog valves ran the heads on all old EDM machines.
a small coil shifted the spool to divert pressure from one side to
another in the driven piston. Locking the flow locks the axis. Operates 
on +/- 10V ( some on 20ma ) control signals.
HTH
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Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect

2013-08-30 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 08/30/2013 11:52 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On 08/30/2013 09:38 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Could you find a link to the source code?


 http://www.mtconnect.org/downloads/download-information/source-code-and-binaries-download.aspx

 I think the trick is to scroll down the page to the Login Form. At the
 bottom of the Login Form is No account yet?. Click Register, then fill
 in a username, password and e-mail address. Once you have your account
 set up, log in with the Login Form, then go to:

aha! i used anonymous
yes, he's on github
https://github.com/mtconnect
woohoo!
lotsa code
lotsa java :(
and an 'IMTS 2012' dir
so he's demo'ed this in Chicago

lots to read
thx for the tip KWallace
regards
Tomp
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Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect

2013-08-30 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 08/30/2013 11:38 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
 Could you find a link to the source code?


no source code found. no DTD no XSD.
we should let the author reply,
ask q's on his site ,
 report usefullness here.
regards
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Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect

2013-08-30 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Hello,
I am interested in how MTConnect serves the data.
I have asked the author. (too early for response yet )

I've been following the ZeroMQ discussions, which
are concerned with message passing tools which Linuxcnc could use.
http://zguide.zeromq.org/page:all

Has anyone gotten real values from MTConnect yet?
look athttp://agent.mtconnect.org/current
I get 'UNAVAILABLE' since I began monitoring the page a couple days ago.

and the 3 web pages need a descriptor that is unavailable

http://www.mtconnect.org/schemas/MTConnectDevices_1.2.xsd;
accessing it replies with
The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name 
changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

The author might well be busy, and I applaud his work.

Its interesting tho, publishing HAL or Linuxcnc data on web pages would 
be cool. I envision HAL systems reporting on web pages, even allowing
changes requested by javascript widgets.

regards
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Re: [Emc-users] How to test brush type DC servo motors?

2013-08-13 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 08/14/2013 12:26 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
 I want to see if my motors will run. How do I identify the motor wires VS the 
 tachometer wires so I can hook up to a DC power supply just to see if they'll 
 run?

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a picture would help
but often the motor wires are heavier gauge

also the 4 wires ( assumption ) are often not gathered together
because the tacho easily gets noise from the motor

and the tacho is usually at the end of the motor opposite the shaft

and the motor wires are nearer the brushes

(often, not a rule )

hth
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Re: [Emc-users] A puzzler

2013-08-07 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 08/07/2013 04:14 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 7 August 2013 01:14, TJoseph Powderly tjt...@gmail.com wrote:

 cosine err?

 I don't think so. The main reason not to think so is that he has
 measured the error as non-linear (I am awaiting the actual numbers)

 A cosine error of .158mm in 50 would mean an inclination of 4.5
 degrees which seems like it would be obvious.

non-linear?, ok
i read it repeated to same value from origin, but was consistantly off 
at some extreme.
np. discount bad mounting
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Re: [Emc-users] A puzzler

2013-08-07 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 08/06/2013 10:44 PM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
 On Tue, 8/6/13, TJoseph Powderly tjt...@gmail.com wrote:

   cosine err?
   the motion of the axis must be colinear with the motion of
   the scale theres a few pages supplied wiht all Heidenhain scales
   describing the mounting techniques and qualifications.
   i could assume this has been verified, but it would explain
   motion that returns to same point yet has constant distance err
   regards
   tomp

 If the scale's not mounted perfectly parallel to the motion axis but is close 
 enough so it doesn't bind as it slides, that would produce an error that's 
 linear and always repeats exactly. But would it produce that much of an error?

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whatever angle whose cosine produces 158um over the traveled distance.
that'd be ~.006 and i didnt see the distance traveled stated.
it wouldnt be much of an angle at a great distance.
but i hear its NOT linear so...
forgettaboudit
its not cosine error


(btw theres and external surface on the alum enclosure meant for 
tramming it collinear. )

tomp
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Re: [Emc-users] A puzzler

2013-08-07 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 08/07/2013 06:34 PM, Andy Pugh wrote:


 On 7 Aug 2013, at 23:49, TJoseph Powderly tjt...@gmail.com wrote
 non-linear?, ok
 i read it repeated to same value from origin, but was consistantly off
 at some extreme.
 np. discount bad mounting

 It seems that the sine/cosine signals from the scales do not actually repeat 
 every 10um.

 This is the guy's YouTube video.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIdidzAPgBssns=em

 What he is comparing is the sine/cosine phase as measured by the 
 interpolation software, the position as measured by a 0.1um probe and the 
 distance measured by linuxcnc. The phase should be zero every 10um. It does 
 not appear to be.


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i think the reported values from the IC Haus chip can be looked at with 
his setup.

but the actual sinuses from the Heidenhain scale are _not_ observed by 
his setup.

some interpreted ( interpolated) values are returned from the setup in 
the video.

from the video, i would not infer an error in the sinus,
but thats just IMO

i would verify the sinus periodicty
and i'd ask Heidenhain to check the scale.

Can this user hand the encoder over to some local Heidenhain service 
center?

Heidenhain has the ability to prove their certificate's claim
They have these tools and are very interested in making sure their 
products live up to their reputation.

the test rig would be something like this...
An oscilloscope can show if the sinus is of an even period.
A device can move the reader head colinear with the scale.
The displacement at a contant velocity should result in a pair of 
sinuses that are clean and repeatable ( for time, distance and amplitude )

so, please eliminate any suspicion of the scale itself,
then, if the scale sinus periodicity is correct,
move onto the subsequent electronics
(the interface and the IC Haus interpolator )

regards
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Re: [Emc-users] A puzzler

2013-08-06 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 08/06/2013 10:25 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 I am in discussion with a chap who is retrofiting a Hardinge HXL. It
 has linear scales, interpolator boxes set to 256x and is running a
 5i25/7i77 combo.

 The repeatability is good. Actually is is better than good, it returns
 to the exact same digit on a 0.1um (0.04) length probe every
 time.
 http://youtu.be/2oWc6val6ME

 The problem is that the travel distance isn't accurate. A 50mm move is
 out by 0.158mm. The encoder scale is set to 25600 (10um scales, 256
 interpolation).
 It doesn't seem like it could be missed encoder counts or the
 repeatability wouldn't be so good.

 Any ideas where to look? Bear in mind that this is all done by linear scales.

cosine err?
the motion of the axis must be colinear with the motion of the scale
theres a few pages supplied wiht all Heidenhain scales describing the 
mounting techniques and qualifications.
i could assume this has been verified, but it would explain motion that 
returns to same point yet has constant distance err
regards
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Re: [Emc-users] query: how long was your longes G-Code program ever?

2013-07-20 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Hello Michael,
the longest gcode program i've cut ( and still have )
is 3.9Meg, 157199 lines, 650K after txz-ing it
Lemme know if you want the file
i dont think i can attach in this mail list, esp that large.
it was a lithophane, so is a translation of a pic to a heightmap
regards
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Re: [Emc-users] Wichita LinuxCNC meeting

2013-06-26 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 06/26/2013 12:19 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
---snip ---

 A man that used
 to develop and install MDSI's OpenCNC lives there.
--end snip --
would that be the gent who went on to head the US arm of PA?
http://www.powerautomation.com/
thx
TomP

btw i've sent some direct emails thanking people at the fest
but specific thanks to the crew at MPM
and the good ol boys :) lke JohnK Seb Chris Jeff
and the crew working on furtue platforms MichaelH CharlesS
and the crew from Tormach, excellent dinners
and 'all the rest' ( not a good enuf title )
thanks very much




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Re: [Emc-users] OT, Programable winch design, need help

2013-06-26 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 06/26/2013 12:13 PM, dave wrote:
 On Wed, 2013-06-26 at 09:26 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 I thinking hologram. Then the crash would appear real with breaking and
 crumpling and everything. :)

 Nice if you can carry it off.  Complete with sound effects?

...


make it look like it happens

if you had a blind area to the viewer
imagine a horz barrier of some sort
and you got the audience focus to look at the chandelier high over head
( a bang and swing of the spot light )
then the audience sees it drop
a scream, a bang, a lights out
meanwhile the real chandelier drops behind the obscuring band
and another chandelier is jerked up of the floor as the lights come back on

slight of hand

the real chandelier deaccs reasonably
the 2nd keeps people out of the fall zone ( already occuopies the area )

regards
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Re: [Emc-users] Wichita LinuxCNC meeting

2013-06-26 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 06/26/2013 12:58 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 His name is Hans Platt. He has some products useful to a cnc
 builder/retrofit.

thats the guy, i worked with him at RDS in Broken Arrow
thx!

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Re: [Emc-users] Heat dissipation?

2013-06-24 Thread TJoseph Powderly
i googled automatic branding irons, like for cattleone xmpl is:
http://www.durable-tech.com/marking/branding-irons/semi-automated-
branding-iron/


www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE‎
Head em up (move em up) Move em on (head em up) Rawhide

tjtr33 tomp

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Re: [Emc-users] Heat dissipation?

2013-06-24 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 06/24/2013 12:47 PM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 24 June 2013 18:40, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would like to ask, if somebody has ever done something similar and could
 share some tips about best practices how to attach that heated stencil to
 pneumatic cylinder.

 I have seen water-cooled blocks used for similar things. (maybe
 air-cooled makes more sense in this case).

 A lot of holes and end-plates is one way that it might be made.

old school heavy chisel point soldering iron, the handle you held onto 
doenst get hot so the heat dissapation is handled.
like this
http://tooltronic.com/products/soldering-industrial/hexacon-p300-300watt-heavy-duty-soldering-iron/

  the tip could be removed ( single set screw thru side ) and a new 
'tip' which is a copper
Tee ( shank goes into soldering iron, perpendicular end has logo on face )

custom branding ends here:
http://goo.gl/mrFYI

Your automation can hold the handle end ( no heat ) the front is the 
branding logo.

FWIW

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Re: [Emc-users] Kinematics - Help Our HackerSpace

2013-06-24 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Hello, I am Tom Powderly from Elgin IL
I knew of PumpStationOne, but it wasn't close ( or free ;)
anyway, lets simplify a complex problem a bit

1) try to find an original yourkins.c or reconstruct it ( gotta be done 
anyway)

rest of comments are interspersed inline



On 06/22/2013 07:19 PM, Bart Dring wrote: Hi,
 
  I am working with a group of CNC builders at the Chicago HackerSpace
  Pumping Station One. We are building a simple 2D drawing machine. The
  machine uses 2 belt driven carriages on a single linear bearing.  You can
  see the details of the machine at this link.

interesting machine, Hr. (Dr?) Till Franitza built similar at a school 
( i remember the scissors action and it being a plotter )
i can only find a newer version (X with a polar swing arm Y ) as a video

 
  http://pumpingstationone.org/2013/06/cnc-gonzo-build-2-recap/
 
  We are having trouble getting it to work in EMC. When we turn on the
  machine in EMC, both carriages immediately race at full speed towards the
  home switches. They trigger the switches, but keep trying to go. We 
looked
  at the switches in HalScope and they appear to be functioning 
properly. If
  we use F2 to quickly turn the machine on then off before the carriages
  crash, we can turn it back on and the carriages do not move spontaneously
  anymore.

heehee  'anymore' an american euphemism that is hard to understand
and impossible to translate

but i get it that it used to but not now..
ok
   need a youkins.c still
   then it can be debugged

 
  Using the MDI tab with G code commands we are able to get X motion at the
  pen. That is pretty simple because for X, both carriages always run 
at the

i see how the 2 joint Y travels along X, and worried at the limitations 
it has near X limits,(just to say i get the mechanical side of it )

  same speed and direction as the pen. We can command the pen to move in Y,
  but only at very low speeds.

ok, this infers the X is ok at higher speeds. true?
and does the motion seem correct?
  (speed correct, expected size of motion correct?)

  If we try to go fast EMC gives us all sorts of
  joint speed and position errors.

ok, unexpected to you, i agree, but they indicate the problem
you HAVE TO record the errors, its trying to help you solve the problem.

 
  There is a link to our kinemantics file at the link above.  (We just
  modified trivkins.c). At this point I think it has been hacked beyond our
  initial successes, to completely broken.
 

yep, you need a new .c file, (AKAC  always keep a copy)

  1. For this type of machine, what do we return for kinematicsType()?
 

copied from  include/kinematics.h
 KINEMATICS_FORWARD_ONLY,   /* forward but no inverse */
 KINEMATICS_INVERSE_ONLY,   /* inverse but no forward */
 KINEMATICS_BOTH/* forward and inverse both */
if this is the Q, well you wrote , and have the answer
( country, western, or allkinds ;)

do you mean for the INI file entry?
  if so its the name of your .c file without extant
  eg: jumpylinekins  ( compiled from jumpylinekins.c  )

  the name is set up in yourkins.c like this stanza in gantrykins.c
  ...
int rtapi_app_main(void) {
 int result, i;
 comp_id = hal_init(gantrykins);
...


  2. What do I want to do in kinematicsHome(). When is this function called
  and how often?

i'd say youd want to call it after you were AT home,
  and in it, solve the known 'axis' positions into 'joint' positions
  ( this means something like, i know i'm at the home switches for each
joint, and i know this should be a specific XY position,
but i have to solve for where the Ya and Yb are now. (Inv Kins tells us)

reading other src files is often helpful in Linuxcnc
heres what is said in genhexkins.c

/*
   kinematicsHome() is implemented by taking the desired world coordinates,
   which are passed as an arg, and running the inverse kinematics to get
   the resulting joints. The flags are set to zero.
*/


how often?
  well at least do it before you want your work to be measured from a 
known position.

once after the machine does not know where the reference ( home 
position) is located ( after loss of power, on start up, after steps are 
lost )

short answer:
  use the name of the id you setup in your blahkins.c , tell THAT to the 
.ini file

  home once after power up


 
  3. Why does the machine starting running immediately.?
 

i'd have to see the code and thinkabit
  the machine shouldnt immediately move, period
   it has to be told to move ( well a servo can run away, but i saw 
steppers )
   your physical ( copper ) and logical ( hal net ) wiring should not 
allow this to happen


  4. Can everything be done in the mykin.c file or do I need to modify 
other
  areas of the HAL.

everything  is hard to imagine, you'd best begin simpler
and work thru intial problems
rather than do anything that uses 'everything' in the description

quick simplistic answer: yes, the kins is sortakinda isolated
 

I will try to vist
hours?
where can 

Re: [Emc-users] BeagleBone + BeBoPr 3D Printing

2013-06-03 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 06/02/2013 08:29 PM, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
snip---
 I've gotten enough of a response from my BeagleBone + LinuxCNC videos
 that I've created a blog to track the progress and post answers to
 questions so everyone can benefit (and I hopefully have less e-mail to
 respond to!):

http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.com/

 ...I'll still post here when I reach a major milestones, but check the
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Re: [Emc-users] gantry revisited

2013-05-23 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 05/23/2013 11:42 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 23 May 2013 17:33, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:

   I had hoped to be able to do this without building
 a gantry machine here just to understand the homing issues.

 Two motors on the bench linked by spaghetti would seem like a usable
 surrogate system :-)

 If the spaghetti shaft breaks then more work is needed. (limit
 switches simulated by some HAL tracking Rawcounts from the encoders,
 which as far as I know never change.)

haha! do you mean spaghetti literally?
as in a bundle of dried noodles as a shaft that would break when/if the 
crabbing got too great?
maybe some shearing friction plate coupler with a mark would do same.
regards
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Re: [Emc-users] Machining a mold for a reflector?

2013-04-18 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 04/19/2013 12:30 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
 --- On Thu, 4/18/13, Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com

 On 18 April 2013 08:48, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 How are molds for plastic reflectors machined? They
 have a large number of sharp edged corner cubes.

 Possibly forged with a pyramidal punch?

 Take a look at http://www.nissin-precision.com/english/Rrm.htm

 Regards,
 Kent

 Lots of little hexagonal pins with highly polished, three sided ends, all 
 bound tightly together. Used as is or an electroformed surface is made from 
 the pin masrer. Looks like metal is cast against the back side of the 
 electroform then machined to insert into a plastic injection mold.

 I make cast resin copies of reflectors and lenses for classic cars. With a 
 good original an RTV silicone mold can exactly copy the reflective quality of 
 the original lens.

 So now I know how the originals are made.



the machines that produce the molds are sink edm's
the models may be hand made or just prints, but the molds are edm'd

look at AGie, Makino, Ingersoll, or Mitsubishi websites for examples

look at any large mold shop in Windsor CA to see it in action

edm can make a near square corner ( .0002 corner and edge radii are 
common on good finishes)
btw: 'mirror' ( optically reflective ) finishes are NOT the best EDM 
finishes possible, really really good edm finishes appear to be matte.

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Re: [Emc-users] Machining a mold for a reflector?

2013-04-18 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 04/18/2013 06:37 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 4/18/2013 7:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:

 Take a look at http://www.nissin-precision.com/english/Rrm.htm

very impressive forms
but if it _is_ electroforming, then the plated form is even smaller
i wish nissin showed an unplated version to see what the armature looked 
like, or explained how the armature/mandrel was made.

also, i cant see how nissin expects a thin plated object to be used
in an injection mold, it seem the ejection would rip it apart.

but there's always new stuff i aint seen yet
very nice results in any case

thx

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[Emc-users] Fwd: Re: tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread TJoseph Powderly
does not appear on mail list yet is timestamped as 1st reply to thread, why?

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:57:03 -0500
From: TJoseph Powderly tjt...@gmail.com
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

On 03/27/2013 10:43 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Gentlemen,
If I am wanting to remove the servo tuning from a velocity loop would I
 be able to jumper the +/- 10 volts to the tach feedback into the drive and
 to the speed request into the drive.
 Would this cause the drive to not respond?
 Would this cause the drive the immediately output the full requested
 current to the motor?
 thanks
 Stuart

you make the system very happy:)

there's no error for the amp to work with, only the commanded voltage
which is now the tacho out.

in op-am terms, you took the whatdoyouhave and plugged it into the
whatdoyouwant

eliminating all error

so its kind of a catch 22,
i'd say you get nothing out if you start with no velocity

and keep the velocity if it wasnt 0 ( hard to do , you have to be
infinitely quick with the jumpers)

my2c
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Re: [Emc-users] 3PWM on 7i43 MESA board

2013-03-28 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 03/28/2013 04:35 AM, Roberto Sassoli wrote:
 Il 27/03/2013 23:41, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net ha scritto:
 Message: 2
 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:35:24 +0100
 From: Peter Blodowp.blo...@dreki.de
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 3PWM on 7i43 MESA board
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
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 What is GUNDAM's syndrome? Belonging to the category of Murphy's legal
 advice system?

 Peter
 in Italy there is a robotic mailing list (sumobot, rover, autonomus
 drive, etc etc) and the gundam's syndrome is invoke when a new user want
 to make a mechanism, software, electronics or other, whitout knowledge
 or hollywood suggestions...
 for example:
 whith my iPhone (iPhone is the best ;-)  ) whant control my dog when
 goes to pee
 i'm looking for a microbot like a fly to spy my girlfriend
 with a microwave, a washing machine and a radiocontrol toy car can i
 make a super robot like Gundam?
 i have watch minority report... it's possible control a computer like
 Tom Cruise???
 and so much...

 return to my Gundam's way
 i've try to install webpak 9.2 and don't install :-(((
 i've downloaded the last xilinx program but i don't understand how can
 modify the .xml .BIT and .PIN files included in hostmot's firmware linux
 position
 must i go to garden???

 ciao
 Roberto

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on 12.04, I recently installed Xilinx 14.4
Actually I tried 14.4 then 9.2i sp4, then went back to trying 14.4.
Many filed attempts and loads of bad / outdated web info.

The successful install went this way:

I used notes from 
http://dreamrunner.org/blog/2012/09/12/install-xilinx-ise-on-the-ubuntu/

I used the Linux download, and for that the single file download.
Dont use the multiple file download, and no special downloader was used.
Just check the csum.
This too about 6hrs with my internet provider in USA.
You'll need a load of space, say 250% of the download size to download 
AND extract.

You'll need another 150% of the download size where you want to install
I used one partition with 34G free for the download and extract, and 
another with 26G free for the install target.

During the install, you'll be asked for a license.
A separate program runs to do this. I requested a WebPack license.
This is important trick! Install FULL , but use WebPack license.

A few libraries were needed, see the dreamrunner link

During the install it will ask if you want to install the drivers.
The web consensus is DONT DO IT YET! I have not gotten to the point of 
communication with a target yet, so cannot offer personal experience, 
but many say this is the correct approach.

update: I did build the drivers, tho the script had a small change for 
the version number ( 12.x to 14.4). They built fine but I dont have Jtag 
header on my card yet and have not tested. So I cannot prove that mine 
works.

The suite is invoked by running a script, so the script needs to be 
executable and have sufficient permissions ( settings32.sh for my ubuntu 
12.04 shell )

to get a desktop icon, i followed
http://followthegeeks.com/how-to-manually-create-application-launcher-in-ubuntu-12-04-unity/

the icon is in 
yourpath//Xilinx/14.4/ISE_DS/common/idata/usenglish/idata/isebillboards/logo.png

I also downloaded the zip files for tutorials
I ran the entire set of tutors for vhdl.
There are tutors for vhdl verilog and schematic input styles.

This exercises many features of the the suite
The editor, Syntax Checker, Simulator, Bit file generator, schematic 
editor. These all worked.

Again, I have not programmed a bit file  to a card yet.
but i know the program suite works.

PS. It never crashed for the entire tutorial, seems very stabile, but
is a bit slow on my system. Dont panic if the system is building and you 
see no feedback, just wait.

Your last Q about how to modify .xml, .BIT. and .PIN files, well 
AndyPugh is right, you modify the .vhd files (if you use VHDL as your 
chosen language/definition style).

I do not know which .vhd file you would need to modify for your project. 
You can get all the .vhd and .ucf files from the GIT repository. 
Examining them will show you more about the process. Following the 
Xilinx tutorials will explain the relations of the files in a project.

I'm just learning all this myself.

best of luck
TomP


Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: Re: tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 03/28/2013 08:17 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 3/28/2013 9:04 AM, TJoseph Powderly wrote:
 does not appear on mail list yet is timestamped as 1st reply to thread, why?

  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback
 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:57:03 -0500
 From: TJoseph Powderlytjt...@gmail.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net  
 snip

 What mail list? As an emc-users subscriber, I received your reply right
 after Stuart's original message and I see your message as the first
 reply after Stuart's message on
 http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user

 Regards,
 Kent


Kent,
Thanks for the heads up,

My reply does not show up in my mail 'list' from 
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
that is to say, the list of files presented to me by tbird 17.0.2.

I would not think that it was normal for my own replies to be missing 
from the displayed mails, but your reply suggests the mail was 
delivered. I had no such feedback. Still dont.

I dont see any option where I've asked for my own mail to be filtered out.

I just replied to an Italian user asking about installing Xilink, and 
would expect confirmation of the mail by seeing it in the presented list 
( in the next day at least ).

If my reply doesnt show up, I now think I'd bring it up to the 
Thunderbird folks.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: [Emc-users] Fwd: Re: tach feedback

2013-03-28 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 03/28/2013 09:17 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 3/28/2013 9:57 AM, TJoseph Powderly wrote:
 On 03/28/2013 08:17 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 3/28/2013 9:04 AM, TJoseph Powderly wrote:
 does not appear on mail list yet is timestamped as 1st reply to thread, 
 why?

  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback
 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:57:03 -0500
 From: TJoseph Powderlytjt...@gmail.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net  
 snip
 What mail list? As an emc-users subscriber, I received your reply right
 after Stuart's original message and I see your message as the first
 reply after Stuart's message on
 http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user

 Regards,
 Kent

 Kent,
 Thanks for the heads up,

 My reply does not show up in my mail 'list' from
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 that is to say, the list of files presented to me by tbird 17.0.2.

 I would not think that it was normal for my own replies to be missing
 from the displayed mails, but your reply suggests the mail was
 delivered. I had no such feedback. Still dont.

 Aha! You probably just need to adjust your list subscription. I don't
 recall the setting offhand, but the list server lets you choose either
 to get your own messages reflected back to you or not.

 Can't fault Thunderbird for now knowing how to show a message it doesn't
 receive.

 Regards,
 Kent


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arrgh!
from google's own (inscrutable) mouth

When you send mail to any group or mailing list you subscribe to, Gmail 
automatically skips your inbox and archives the message to save you time 
and prevent clutter.

file that under stupid programmer tricks
thx
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Re: [Emc-users] 3PWM on 7i43 MESA board

2013-03-28 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Robert

concerning permissions to use the programming hardware,
also the web notes say
   to restart udev, issue  /etc/init.d/boot.udev restart
no, use
   sudo service udev restart

hth

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[Emc-users] email replies dont show in my inbox

2013-03-28 Thread TJoseph Powderly
 On 03/28/2013 09:17 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
snip
 Aha! You probably just need to adjust your list subscription. I don't
 recall the setting offhand, but the list server lets you choose either
 to get your own messages reflected back to you or not.


success ( well at least i get a msg saying its been delivered now)

I edited the user list options
  logged in, went to edit
  the 'view own posts' was already checked

  so something else was needed

  I added 'acknowledge'
  My topics were 'none', so I should rcv all threads,
  but edited 'new msgs that dont match topics' to yes
  and edited, avoid dupes to no

now I get confirmation that mail has been sent,
no content,
but at least it doesnt look like i clicked delete instead of send.

there's thread on the web and on the wiki where others had similar 
problems, so, hope this helps

will try to add this to the wiki, but gotta run now

regards
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Re: [Emc-users] tach feedback

2013-03-27 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 03/27/2013 10:43 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Gentlemen,
If I am wanting to remove the servo tuning from a velocity loop would I
 be able to jumper the +/- 10 volts to the tach feedback into the drive and
 to the speed request into the drive.
 Would this cause the drive to not respond?
 Would this cause the drive the immediately output the full requested
 current to the motor?
 thanks
 Stuart

you make the system very happy:)

there's no error for the amp to work with, only the commanded voltage 
which is now the tacho out.

in op-am terms, you took the whatdoyouhave and plugged it into the 
whatdoyouwant

eliminating all error

so its kind of a catch 22,
i'd say you get nothing out if you start with no velocity

and keep the velocity if it wasnt 0 ( hard to do , you have to be 
infinitely quick with the jumpers)

my2c
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Re: [Emc-users] EDM Pete G

2013-03-05 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 03/05/2013 02:48 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote:

 Is that diameter variation with depth, and if it's due to constant
 mark/space ratio, are you adjusting the timing ratio of the one-shots to
 achieve compensation?

Erik, hello,

  Basically, yes :)

  The depth and diameter is governed by the joules expended per discharge,

  A fixed on time does not account for the pulse to pulse
variation in ionization time ( how long it takes current flow to
begin after voltage is applied).

  So I do not decrement the desired on time value until the current 
begins to flow.

  This makes the joules per discharge equal, and in turn, makes the 
craters equal.

  Instead of a repetitive pulser or PWM, I use one shots triggered
by a detector.

Tomp
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[Emc-users] EDM Pete G

2013-03-04 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 03/04/2013 08:40 AM, sam sokolik wrote:
 oops - here are the pictures of his edm work

 http://electronicsam.com/images/Pete_G/edm.jpg

 http://electronicsam.com/images/Pete_G/edm_xc.jpg

 sam



 On 3/4/2013 8:30 AM, sam sokolik wrote:
 I had a little CNC get-together Saturday mainly to help Pete G setup his
 5i25.  Pete G had been mentioned recently on the list about his diy edm
 setup.  He is using rutex step/dir drives and the rutex break out
 board.  I sent peter from mesa the pinout of the rutex BOB and he sent a
 new firmware for the 5i25.  Updating was painless and we looked at the
 port with a scope to double check that the step/dir pin locations had
 changed.  I had found someones 5i25 config on the forum and set it up
 for Pete_G hardware.  (he isn't using any daughter boards yet.)

 This is the email I got back from him after running all day sunday..

 Hi Sam: I set up the Rutex based controller on by Bridgeport mill,
 edited the scale values in the .ini file and went zooming.  It went in
 the right directions, and fast.  I ran out of nerve at 3/4 inch per
 second/ 45 IPM.  The machine never went as fast as 35 IPM before.  The
 linuxcnc has a much nicer interface than the ancient version I was
 running.  I like it a bunch.   Thank you for working with me on this
 project.  This is a great improvement over where I was.

 So that is a big YAY - he has a Dyna 4400 that he has starting converting.

 Thanks Peter(mesa) for your quick firmware mod and the overall coolness
 of your hardware :)

 He also talked a bit about his edm  (couple emails).  (his own software)

You mentioned that my name came up on the list-serve about EDM
 work.  Attached is a picture that shows a little embossing wheel that I
 made with coordinated X and C motion and a sample of wire EDM work I
 did.  In both cases, the software executes the G-code forward and
 backward, whatever it takes to maintain the erosion gap voltage as
 needed.  The sinker software will back out on a programmed basis, either
 along the pathway in or toward pre-programmed escape points. The wire
 program backs up a specified distance (regardless of the number of line
 segments traversed) and then follows a small X, trying to clear the
 crud and get sparking again.  If that fails, the motion stops but
 controlling the wire travel speed or shutting off the wire was not
 included in the program.  One day i'll do that and add other necessary
 features.   I also have a picture (not attached) where I eroded with
 coordinated Z  C motion and threaded a hole in a file.

Attached is a picture that shows the roll-die and the threaded
 hole.  For flushing, the threading electrode backed its way out of the
 hole.  When making the roll-die, it was rolled across the face of a flat
 electrode with coordinated X  C motion, with escape moves in the +Y
 direction for flushing/ gap contamination.  You can post either of both
 of the pictures.

   I should have explained that the escape moves and backing out for
 flushing are NOT part of the g-code.  The programmer couldn't possibly
 know at what points the electrode would need to be backed out.  My
 software monitors that gap voltage and when it is too low it will create
 it's own destination_X, y, z, c values to move to in order to clear the
 problem.  Once the erosion gap returns to normal, my software erodes its
 way back to the where it escaped from the program path and then
 continues on the programmed path.  The key to EDM is to monitor erosion
 conditions (voltage) and to  move forward and backward on the programmed
 path to maintain erosion conditions. Or escape off to the side if
 needed.   Some people insist that there must be a feed rate in EDM.
 There is not.

 pete

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Sam,

Please tell Pete congratulations on his work.
I've harped for years here that there is no feedrate.
Right on Pete!

I'm developing similar by myself.

At the time  I got your email,
I was writing oneshots for arduino,
triggered by the beginning of current flow,
an OnTimeShot runs, then a single OffTimeShot.
This makes each tiny crater a 

Re: [Emc-users] Shizuoka Four Axis on eBay

2013-03-04 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 03/04/2013 09:11 AM, dave wrote:
 On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 10:09 +, andy pugh wrote:
 On 4 March 2013 07:38, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote:

 The dog keys are not installed on the end of the spindle, though there
 are slots and threaded holes. With a modern VFD on the spindle, it might
 be easy enough to install the tool with a slight up pressure and rotate
 the spindle until the the tool engages the keys and seats, but he keys
 would interfere with the gripper as is is now. So far, the tools seat
 well enough without using the keys.

 It is probably possible to carefully align the spindle for tool-change
 if there is a spindle encoder.

 Wikipedia is quite clear on this point, and it matches my understanding:
 This is a self releasing or Fast taper. Unlike the more acute
 self holding tapers above, such tapers are not designed to transmit
 torque. This turning effort is carried by driving keys engaging slots
 on the flange.

 However I have trouble seeing how you can hold a CAT flange and still
 allow the dogs to engage. BT flanges have a gripper groove which is
 far enough below the keys for there to be no interference. (
 http://www.bright-tools.com/news_show_79.html)
 There is rather less space on the SK flange. (
 http://www.morari.it/home/en/products/adjustable-heads/cone-std-din-69871
 ) so I don't know how those avoid gripper-to-key clashes.

 The mazak v5 does it all the time. Semi-circular ring with a spring
 driven pin to go in the groove. Rotate in, come up, clamp the tool
 holder, move down, rotate, come up, go down and to rest position.
 The mazak also has a mechanism for dog alignment; on some it is
 mechanical on other sensor or encoder driven.

 Sorry I don't have pictures. Maybe tomp has a picture from his fine
 collection re' Galesburg.

 HTH

 Dave





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Dave,

Hi, thanks for thinking of me,
All my computers from those days are dead
But
Fenn did a great job of documenting during that early fest at Roland's.
His collection can be seen here
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MazakRetro

I went back once later to work by myself, but have no pics now.
I sent some to Matt and Ray regarding a sensor for tool change.

Hope you are all recuperated! Spring time is comin!

regards
TomP
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Re: [Emc-users] Easy 50% Duty Cycle in HAL for way lube pump?

2013-02-10 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 02/11/2013 12:09 AM, John Kasunich wrote:
 ClassicLaddder can do that.  Kind of killing ants with a sledgehammer
 unless you have other PLC-ish things to do as well.

 I bet you could cascade a pair of HAL one-shots, one would set the
 on-time, the other would trigger when the first one ends and determine
 the off-time.  Then loop the second one back around to re-trigger the
 first one.

 On Sun, Feb 10, 2013, at 11:52 PM, John Murphy wrote:
 The lube pump in my BossV is over-oiling everything.  If I leave it
 powered, I come back to puddles of oil under every way after a long job.
   Of course, I don't want to run long jobs without it.

 I have the way lube tied to the spindle on signal, so I figured there ought
 to be a hal component that I can wedge between the 'spindle on' and the
 digital output that drives the pump relay to say, power it every other
 minute or three to reduce the volume of oil I'm getting.

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I use similar pair of hal oneshots  for on/off time for my edm pulses.
just run the /out of 2nd oneshot to the  in of the 1st and set 1st up to 
trigger on falling edge

and right now am writing similar for a peck-drill type function ( in edm 
its called 'jump')
weird coincidence to get a flashing email msg about it while i'm in the 
editor

but

beware that for an oiler
you might get a squirt every time you startup linuxcnc

meaning, its a bit messy when you're debugging something,
and you find yourself turning linuxcnc on and off a number of times
this can make a pool of oil !

so pull the power cord while cycling a lot

same thing happens with commercial electronic oilers ( i know from 
experience :(

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Re: [Emc-users] Easy 50% Duty Cycle in HAL for way lube pump?

2013-02-10 Thread TJoseph Powderly
cascaded oneshots for programmable oscillator
width of ontime and off time are setp'd
there's a gui enable
requires FP thread

when 1st oneshot timesout, it trgrs the 2nd
when 2nd times out, it trgrs the 1st
aka
when OnDone, trgr OffShot
when OffDone, trgr OnShot

the PMD. is a pyvcp panel parent

fragment from one of the hal files in the suite

# begin osc section 
net OscONPMD.OscEna   and2.0.in0
net OffDone and2.0.in1  oneshot.1.out-not
net OscRunand2.0.out  oneshot.0.in

net  onvalPMD.ontconv-s32-float.0.in
net  onvalfint conv-s32-float.0.out  scale.0.in
setp scale.0.gain 0.01
setp scale.0.offset 0.0
net  onvalf oneshot.0.width  scale.0.out

net  offval   PMD.offt   conv-s32-float.1.in
net  offvalfint conv-s32-float.1.out  scale.1.in
setp scale.1.gain 0.01
setp scale.1.offset 0.0
net  offvalf oneshot.1.widthscale.1.out


net OscOutoneshot.0.out

net OnDone oneshot.0.out-not   oneshot.1.in

net OscOut parport.1.pin-01-out
# end osc section 

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Re: [Emc-users] VFD Noise

2013-01-21 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 01/21/2013 03:02 PM, Clint Washburn wrote:
 Can single phase be used on a three phase filter?  The reason I ask is 
 because I am rebuilding my lathe so it can be used on both single and three 
 phase.

 Thanks,
 Clint Washburn


 On Jan 21, 2013, at 2:37 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 January 2013 09:21, Mike Cinquino mcinqu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone seen this before? I
 know VFD's are noisy devices. Looking for any advice to quickly eliminate
 the problem.
 You probably need an input filter on the VFD. They appear to send
 noise back down the power supply cables.
 Something like:
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170127787597
 (RASMI may be a good search term)

 A common-mode ferrite ring on the motor cables (at the drive end) is
 also a good idea, but I think that the input filter is the big-hitter.

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not sure if you canuse 3ph filter with just 1
but am sure
i used 3 pcs of 1 phase Cor-Com (tm)  on 3 ph equipments a lot
so, this scheme should help your needs
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Re: [Emc-users] Wire Labeling

2013-01-20 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 01/20/2013 09:53 PM, Karl Schmidt wrote:
 On 01/20/2013 07:41 PM, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 If you just want some label markers and not that specific type,
 Panduit has quite a variety.  I personally like the printable
 self-laminating labels:

 http://www.panduit.com/wcs/Satellite?c=Pagechildpagename=Panduit_Global%2FPG_Layoutcid=1345564329023packedargs=classification_id%3D2400%26locale%3Den_uspagename=PG_Wrapper

 ...and the marker/flag wire ties:

 http://www.panduit.com/heiler/CatalogCutSheets/PLF1M-C%20Product%20Page-1.pdf

 Where can I get some of these in a small quantity?




 
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ACT  makes these AL-04-18-ID-9-C
saw 100 packs 10$ on ebay

but i use these wrap on labels myself
Ziptape Rite  Wrap  RW52
a scotch tape dispenser is $12
300 labels
clear sticky part is long enuf to wrap over the writing to protect it
can be wrapped like a flag or a tube, lo tech  cheap

and for the low cost hitech marker,
a K-Sun Bee printer is good,
you just cant get good deals on the printable tubing tho. ( i havent yet )

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