Re: [Emc-users] So, you wanted a portable scope?

2011-12-18 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/dso-quad-4-channel-digital-storage-oscilloscope-p-736.html?cPath=174 Hmmm, nowhere do they state the bandwidth! They do indicate sampling rate up to 72 Msamples/sec. So, one can infer the bandwidth has to be less than 36 MHz,

Re: [Emc-users] Mitsubishi RV-E3J Robot, encoder data miscount error

2011-12-23 Thread Jon Elson
Bruce Klawiter wrote: See images 1 and 2 of the encoder here: https://sites.google.com/site/bmklawt/home/robot/robot-picture Hmm, looks like a magnetic encoder. I worked on some Yaskawa encoders a while back. That black drum has a pattern of magnetic info written on it, and even touching the

Re: [Emc-users] adobe-acrobat

2011-12-23 Thread Jon Elson
Cathrine Hribar wrote: Hi Andy: do u know of any software that can be used on our machines that will make and save PDF files like Adobe Acrobat? I use ps2pdf all the time, likely it is already installed there. It can convert any properly constructed PostScript file to pdf, generally

Re: [Emc-users] fail2ban default setup gotcha

2011-12-23 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: That has been done long ago Mark. The problem is that on pclos (this box) gene is the first user, with a userid of 500. On ubuntu, gene is also the first user 1000, so when user 500 tries to copy a file to /home/user=1000 on ubuntu, its 100% no permissions. Now if

Re: [Emc-users] fail2ban default setup gotcha

2011-12-24 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: And sudo quits working, so you can't fix anything else. You actually can, but you have to get down to hacker level. You can get into grub, show the default boot command, and add the option to go to single-user boot mode. When Linux comes up, you are the super-user,

Re: [Emc-users] Merry Christmas

2011-12-24 Thread Jon Elson
Luis Antonio de Andrade wrote: I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year. Yes, especially to all the tireless developers who work many unpaid hours behind the scene to continue improving EMC2, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Jon

Re: [Emc-users] fail2ban default setup gotcha

2011-12-25 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Wendt (Contractor) wrote: Anybody remember the Alt-somethingorother key combo to bring up the running of the startup scripts rather than the Ubuntu splash screen during boot? I thought I had it saved away somewhere but I'll be durned if I can find it. That's helpful if you

Re: [Emc-users] Parport

2011-12-25 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: That is assuming that netmos 9815 card is usable, I _think_ that one is one we agreed to blacklist in our discussions here, about 2 years ago. It doesn't do the EPP mode correctly or some such. I have one, made by Rosewill, and I took it back out and am now using a

Re: [Emc-users] Parport

2011-12-25 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2011-12-25 at 16:37 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip I have seen several messages by people in the last year or so that couldn't get them to work. I don't know if those were defective boards, some kind of PnP enumeration problem or something else. Jon

Re: [Emc-users] Encoder Discs, possible collective order

2011-12-26 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote: The fancy encoder on some Fanuc motors comes to mind. I think Jon Elson doped out how to read one of them. Yup, Fanuc serial pulse coders come in 64K, 128K and 1 million count versions. The 64K don't dither at all, too. These have A860-xxx part numbers, and are called

Re: [Emc-users] stepper power supply

2011-12-29 Thread Jon Elson
kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: Just in case y'all run out of something to ponder I do not have one of those fancy meters Gene mentioned but I do have a Kill-A-Watt 118.7 volts ac 3 motors at rest - 1.15 amps 3 motors running - 1.6 amps 4 motors at rest - 1.43 amps 4 motors running - 1.85 amps

Re: [Emc-users] Transformer Question

2011-12-30 Thread Jon Elson
Really? 100V? Sure, 50Hz is found all over the place - but usually at 230V. Japan is a WEIRD place, for historical reasons. Half the island is 60 Hz the other half is 50 Hz. So, they have two totally separate electrical grids! This led to some of the crazy problems at the Fukushima

Re: [Emc-users] at

2012-01-01 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk, Hey, happy new year! I have a customer who has converted a Hardinge HNC adapting most of your configuration, especially the turret. He just upgraded to EMC2.4.7 and I helped him through the various problems he ran into. He now even has CSS working. He is having some problems where the

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. Hmmm,

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Ed Nisely had an article in CC some time back where he used a toaster oven for that, IIRC. I also do production work with a toaster oven! I have a ramp and soak temperature controller from Omega, and found the best control was to poke the thermocouple into a plated

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? I've tested the Intel D525MW motherboard, and put it in the database. The servo thread jitter was 15595, the base thread was 11921. That is fine for any system with a hardware interface (servo or stepper) but may be a

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 18:46, Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. However,

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: No, this is the Intel BOXD525MW (but I think that BOX might just mean it is in a box) Yes, it means there is an individual cardboard box with holographic anti-counterfeit label, meant for sale to the end-user, instead of packed in cases of a dozen or so. Jon

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: How about this one? $219 http://www.directron.com/extremevalue.html only needs an optical drive for installs. I am tempted to get 2, one for the lathe. Yup, looks mostly OK to me. It has a plastic window on the side, and a fan. You may need the fan with the magnetic

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-03 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: On 1/2/2012 10:35 PM, Jon Elson wrote: gene heskett wrote: Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? I've tested the Intel D525MW motherboard, and put it in the database. The servo thread jitter was 15595, the base thread was 11921

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-03 Thread Jon Elson
Peter Blodow wrote: Hello gentlemen, the point is that the long o in solder is pronounced in US english like aw in a common process known as delabilisation or unrounding. It is extremely rare to hear it pronounced sawder in the US, although I have heard that pronunciation once or twice.

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-03 Thread Jon Elson
Steve Blackmore wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:38:45 -0500, you wrote: On 01/02/2012 03:15 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Paysonm...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations:

Re: [Emc-users] Effect of isolcpus boot parameter with D510 cpu ( was Re: hal taking machine down)

2012-01-03 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: I put the better PSU in, but had problems getting a clean boot, and once I did get one, uptime was in minutes, 2 more times. Going to my IR thermometer because gkrellm said the hard drive was pretty warm, I noted that all the caps in the cpu supply on the mobo had tops

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-03 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Tue, 2012-01-03 at 19:26 -0500, Kent A. Reed wrote: ... snip The jury still seems to be out on the question of SSD reliability, partly because there are so few data points compared to rotating disks. ... snip I just replaced a friend's Samsung 60GB SSD. It

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-04 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Can some of that perceived resistance be credited to us linux folks generally being more likely to have a decent UPS that shields our boxes from a lot of that stuff? Nope, no UPSs here or at work. our network switches at work are on UPSs, and maybe the departmental

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-04 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Wendt wrote: Jon, Linux/Unix used to have the same problems. Until they invented journaling. That, in my book, has save a ton of disks for me here at work with cleaning folks accidentally pulling power cords, unexpected power outages over the weekend that fully drain the UPS's,

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-04 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: This house, with a full basement, has I believe shifted upwards, floating if you will, at least 2 in the 22 years I've been here. Well, I guess we have been real lucky here. The shop is in my basement, totally uninsulated except by earth berm. I put exterior foam with

Re: [Emc-users] Riser for Intel Mini-ITX

2012-01-05 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: Apart from our natural conservatism, is there any reason y'all with big systems aren't watercooling within a sealed box, piping the heat to an external radiator? Well, it is expensive, and for most systems it is now somewhat old-school and unnecessary! The Atom

Re: [Emc-users] Commanded positions

2012-01-08 Thread Jon Elson
Farzin Kamangar wrote: Dear EMC users, I was wondering how I could get the commanded positions, meaning the commanded positions from Gcode, and show them on the GUI. The @ key toggles between commanded and actual position display on the 3D window's DRO values. The # key toggles between

Re: [Emc-users] An alternative way to make encoders.

2012-01-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: It seems to me, a custom method of burning a CD might work. I would think very fine lines could be made. Another idea might be to have glass disks aluminum coated as is done for telescope mirrors and either etch or burn lines in that. I Could use 3 diameter encoder wheels,

Re: [Emc-users] running headless on my ASUS AT5NM10-I MB (Intel Atom D510 cpu)

2012-01-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: possible even install RTAI and EMC2 over a Ubuntu server distribution to avoid the Gnome/X-server stuff altogether, since there's the usual niff-naff about booting Ubuntu desktop edition without a monitor attached, etc. I have a non-EMC project where I run an EMC-Live

Re: [Emc-users] running headless on my ASUS AT5NM10-I MB (Intel Atom D510 cpu)

2012-01-09 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: Interesting, Jon. I've been told that Ubuntu desktop edition stalls during boot if it doesn't detect a monitor. There's a lot of blog entries out there devoted to how to make a VGA plug to fool your system into thinking a monitor is present. Well, easy enough to test

Re: [Emc-users] running headless on my ASUS AT5NM10-I MB (Intel Atom D510 cpu)

2012-01-09 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Wendt wrote: On 01/09/2012 10:52 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote: On 1/9/2012 9:57 AM, Les Newell wrote: Some kernel mode display drivers can make X fail to start if they don't find a monitor. See this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting so see how to turn off KMS

Re: [Emc-users] emc Through ssh

2012-01-09 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: The recent talk about headless emc2 got my to look into running emc2 on a remote PC with ssh. I looked at the wiki page http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Running_Multiple_User_Interfaces and generic pages on X11 through ssh

Re: [Emc-users] OT: HDMI to VGA Was RE: Ideal Atom?

2012-01-10 Thread Jon Elson
Przemek Klosowski wrote: Speaking of connectors, has anyone considered using RJ-45? it's a proven locking connector that's cheap and rated for over 1A per pin, and the cables are easy to custom-assemble. What's not to like, I'm asking in all seriousness? Well, these connectors are REALLY

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Jon Elson
Edward Bernard wrote: Here you can read how Phil Moore of PMinMO.com takes care of the hold-down problem: http://millpcbs.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=17Itemid=46. No need to make it more complicated than necessary. I made a fixture plate with a 1 grid of threaded

Re: [Emc-users] tapping problem?

2012-01-16 Thread Jon Elson
a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: Hi i there spindle motor and motor drive that can be better used for tapping? Problem with use tap is that spindle motor can easy crash tap and after that extra charge - + equipment - to remove broke tap from hole. I have been using rigid tapping with EMC2

Re: [Emc-users] tapping problem?

2012-01-16 Thread Jon Elson
a...@conceptmachinery.com wrote: Hi Tapping cycle use very slow motion, why drive can not stop motion of spindle? if max rpm for tapping around 100 rpm , can drive stop spindle ? it is possible to program for 70% or torque that actually will crash tap, to have some safety Is 1200 RPM slow? I

Re: [Emc-users] tapping problem?

2012-01-16 Thread Jon Elson
Ed wrote: If Fanuc, Siemens, Mazak, et al have not implemented torque limiting for taps I would guess that it is much more difficult than it looks. Yes, I would think that the spindle must come to a stop within 5 degrees of rotation from when the overload is detected. I think that

Re: [Emc-users] tapping problem?

2012-01-16 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: That was when I learned about EDM to remove the taps. :) Slow, but does the job without hurting the hole. I have since built a better PSU for that, works nicely but you can hear it running blocks away, very _VERY_ noisy, estimated 140db inside the teeny shop I have.

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller

2012-01-17 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Radek wrote: In the spring of 2011, the LinuxCNC Board of Directors was contacted by a law firm representing EMC Corporation (www.emc.com) about the use of EMC and EMC2 to identify the software offered on linuxcnc.org. EMC Corporation has registered various trademarks relating to EMC and

Re: [Emc-users] PC shutdown

2012-01-18 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: I have a D510 + PicoPSU system. The PC shuts down as expected, but I would rather like it to power-off the power supplies and monitor too. Has anyone set up such a system? I am thinking in terms of a relay controlled by the PicoPSU 5V or 12v output to switch the 240Vac with

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller

2012-01-18 Thread Jon Elson
Matt Shaver wrote: I just wanted to say that I agree with this decision! EMC was always too short, and such a common letter combination to make an effective search term on the internet. Well, I don't fully agree, but ElectroMagnetic Compatibility is another EMC that causes confusion in the

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC: The new name of the Enhanced Machine Controller

2012-01-19 Thread Jon Elson
Ed wrote: Kent A. Reed wrote: No telling who a Large Magellanic Cloud might sue :-) Peter Wallace With our luck they'll just build a hyperspatial express route through our neighborhood, knowing that actions speak louder than words. Nah, they'd just lob a supernova into

Re: [Emc-users] question on gcode parsing

2012-01-21 Thread Jon Elson
Scott Hasse wrote: All- I'm thinking about writing some gcode filters for EMC2 in python, and want to make these as robust and flexible as possible. To that end, I'm wondering if there is a typical approach to parsing and validating arbitrary-format gcode into some sort of canonical form so

Re: [Emc-users] question on gcode parsing

2012-01-21 Thread Jon Elson
Ed Nisley wrote: On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 12:44 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: Every numeric value is preceded by a letter telling what it is. Except in the wonderful world of RepRap, wherein they're now (contemplating?) dual-extruder G-Code with multiple numeric values after the E axis

Re: [Emc-users] question on gcode parsing

2012-01-21 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Radek wrote: But for a modern gcode or for the linuxcnc gcode in particular, this is not the slightest bit true, and it is a disservice for those in the know to say it, since inexperienced people hearing it will try to write regexp-based gcode parsers or other foolishness, and then will

Re: [Emc-users] Rotary homing.

2012-01-21 Thread Jon Elson
John Stewart wrote: Hi Andy; Does it actually have a homing switch or not? No, no homing switch. I read somewhere that the HOME_SEQUENCE=-1 told LinuxCNC (smile) not to home. Am I correct in that assumption? Or, is there commands in there that say don't home but you should

Re: [Emc-users] 2.5 run-in-place or not

2012-01-23 Thread Jon Elson
Tom Easterday wrote: We have been using the 2.5 branch and have made quite a few changes and have things working nicely. We want to continue forward with 2.5 and abandon 2.4.X. Should I just leave things alone, leave it in run-in-place mode, or should I rebuild it without that (or is

Re: [Emc-users] Rotary homing.

2012-01-23 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: On Sunday, January 22, 2012 09:01:21 PM Jon Elson did opine: I just tried these two additions to my .ini file, then restarted emc while the machine was within about a thou of zero on all axises. But on the restart, the home flag wasn't set where it was restarted

Re: [Emc-users] Beagleboard

2012-01-23 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: I have a friend involved in the Yocto embedded Linux project, he said the following: I'm afraid I don't know the status of rt-preempt on beagle. Its not something that is on the official test matrix so it might work or it might not :/. I did ask around but nobody is giving

Re: [Emc-users] Pico Sytems UPC and a Hardinge CHNC

2012-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: but I used the paradigm of a switch closure at the time I did the installation, after giving it more thought and referring to: http://pico-systems.com/images/univstep.png it looks as if the inputs already go to an opto-isolator on the UPC anyway. It may be that a

Re: [Emc-users] Communication Channels (Was: An Open Letter...)

2012-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 24 January 2012 13:47, Sven Wesley svenne.d...@gmail.com wrote: 3. There are too many info channels! Close down the forum on the LinuxCNC website ASAP! It doesn't work, Google can't make correct forward links and some browsers fail to show it. There is an active forum

Re: [Emc-users] Open letter to the EMC Board of Directors

2012-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: Why on earth would you want to close down the LinuxCNC forum and shift to a commercial laden for profit forum? There is nothing more annoying that waiting for all the commercials to load and clutter up your screen at the zone. Do you work for or derive profit the zone?

Re: [Emc-users] question about tapered threading

2012-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: At best I'm a dilettante with machine tools and certainly I'm no expert with a lathe. That not withstanding, long, long ago, I was taught to cut a tapered thread on a manual lathe by shifting the tailstock over. It seems to me this would necessarily mean the thread pitch

Re: [Emc-users] Capacitive encoders

2012-01-26 Thread Jon Elson
Greg Bernard wrote: Has anyone had experience with capacitive encoders? I found these while browsing CNC4PC: http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=64_78products_id=363 They seem to be very affordable. Yes, they look real good until you put them in a servo loop. They

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Jon Elson
Viesturs Lācis wrote: In my previous attempts I had: DEADBAND = 0.0005 P = 90 I = 40 D = 1,65 FF0 = 0 FF1 = 1,5 FF2 = 0 BIAS = 0,0005 FF0 should always be zero on a motion axis. It creates an offset that varies with position. FF1 should always be much less than P. FF2

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Jon Elson
Peter C. Wallace wrote: This is wrong, you add D to make it more stable not I This thing about add I to increase stability is in several places in the docs and Wiki, and I was wondering about this. I agree with you that it is D that increases stability (up to a point). If this is truly

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Jon Elson
Kent A. Reed wrote: I don't interpret this simple method to mean add I to increase stability but perhaps that just shows I don't know PID theory and practice. and I was wondering about this. I agree with you that it is D that increases stability (up to a point). If this is truly a

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: Jon, What is FF0 used for if it should be set to 0 for a motion axis? I used to think it was useless, but if you use the PID for a spindle speed control, for instance, then it is quite useful for a velocity servo. It serves about the same purpose as FF1 in a

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Jon Elson
Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012. gada 28. janvāris 18:14 noel noel.ro...@comcast.net rakstīja: All interested in Servo Tuning. Have a look at: http://support.motioneng.com/Downloads-Notes/Tuning/default.htm In the link from Noel I find that all three (well, the last maybe not that

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-29 Thread Jon Elson
John Thornton wrote: So, looking at one of the links for servo tuning is our FF0 = Velocity Feed Forward Gain. FF1 = Position Feed Forward Gain. You have these reversed. Jon -- Try before you buy = See our

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-29 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: On Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:00:01 PM andy pugh did opine: On 29 January 2012 13:23, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: So, looking at one of the links for servo tuning is our FF0 = Velocity Feed Forward Gain. FF1 = Position Feed Forward Gain. FF2 =

Re: [Emc-users] US Digital encoders?

2012-01-30 Thread Jon Elson
Viesturs Lācis wrote: I would like to ask, if anyone could provide some recommendations for US Digital encoders - I chose them, because they seem to be next in the line in terms of affordability. US Digital may not be the greatest. At least, at one time, you had to add capacitors to the

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone done some jobs about porting EMC2 to ARM9 platforms ?

2012-02-04 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:40:51 -0600 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Kirk Wallace wrote: I seem to recall the ARM chips had a cache between the core and the I/O buss. I don't think it is a cache, exactly, but the I/O hardware is multiplexed between the banks

Re: [Emc-users] Non-Contact limit switch issues.

2012-02-05 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: This board claims excellent speed, as in 10ns propagation delays thru the opto stuffs. That seems rather fast for opto's, and I haven't measured it although I have the scope to do it with. I don't believe it! If they are really opto-isolators and not some other

Re: [Emc-users] Control board

2012-02-06 Thread Jon Elson
Erik Friesen wrote: I have been looking pretty close at the pico systems board, however, as of yet I am not clear how to integrate spindle amps monitoring with it. I also want to monitor vaccum for a holddown system. You just want an overcurrent limit, or you want an analog measurement

Re: [Emc-users] Control board

2012-02-06 Thread Jon Elson
Erik Friesen wrote: I don't care about an analog measurement, I want the system to pause or park when amps are outside of a set range. How would you do the first scenario? Does your spindle drive provide an overcurrent signal? If it is a contact that opens on fault, you can just wire it

Re: [Emc-users] Control board

2012-02-06 Thread Jon Elson
Erik Friesen wrote: I am not so sure about the parallel port and encoder idea though, the encoders I see are up to 1000 per rev, that requires a pretty fast base period to handle that, not? 2us ? It all depends on the RPM. 1000 count/rev encoders would be fine with software conting at

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-06 Thread Jon Elson
Viesturs Lācis wrote: It just does not make sense to me to treat extruder as another axis, whose velocity would determine the amount of extruded material, because the machine is going to move the extruder along its coordinates at a given velocity, determined by F word in g-code. I do not see

Re: [Emc-users] Docs clarification needed.

2012-02-07 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: For stuff like this, it seems I should just buy an index of #10 to #70 carbide drills, but so far all I have found in the catalogs are TiN HSS stuff. Anybody here know of a supplier for carbide drills in teeny wire sizes? Just look on eBay, there are a bunch of guys

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-07 Thread Jon Elson
Lars Andersson wrote: -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] Sent: den 7 februari 2012 05:51 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis Better yet, in HAL you can compute vector velocity of the X Y

Re: [Emc-users] Docs clarification needed.

2012-02-07 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: That led to Think Tinker which I've heard of favorably before, so I made out an order, but they declined the card, and when I tried to back up and check it (there's a 5 digit balance), they cleared the order page. Not a friendly site at all for for doing business over

Re: [Emc-users] Carbide drills

2012-02-07 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: I would think I can probably do that here Jon, since pcb-gcode uses the engraving bit to spot a starter dimple for the following drill operations. When I was off a couple thou, I've seen a #67 drill actually bend and use the marked spot a few times. At 18 thou, I

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-07 Thread Jon Elson
Well, maybe I ought to chime in. Hardly anyone writes machine code anymore, higher level languages have so many benefits, and the performance to be gained is now minimal. So, maybe we should think of G-code in the same manner. This is about the way I use it. I haven't written any G-code in

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, I see a problem with using gcode generating software languages to machine complex geometries. In my world all gcode generating software languages will undercut or gouge the material deemed to be the desired material to include in the desired part. Well,

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 8 February 2012 05:01, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I might suggest crating a custom HAL component to do the S * factor * sqrt(X^2 + Y^2) just to cut down on all the procedure calls http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/man/man9/hypot.9.html

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: I would be willing/able to contribute to the process in some manner. I don't care so much about the 'free' description, I want APT on linux. If it has already been translated from FORTRAN to C, and is text-based (as opposed to graphical) then it should be easy to run

Re: [Emc-users] Is the Intel D510M0 Processor still a good choice for a new EMC2 application?

2012-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
Dave wrote: The D510MO was discontinued by Intel. I'd go with the Intel MW525 board instead. You can buy them from almost everyone and they work well with LinuxCNC. Plus they have a real DB25 LPT port! :-) They take laptop memory instead of desktop memory sticks but that has been

Re: [Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-09 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: On Thursday, February 09, 2012 12:38:04 PM Ben Jackson did opine: On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 11:23:47AM +0200, andy pugh wrote: It is servo-thread only as it uses floating-point. I am not entirely sure why. Aha, that's why I added the laser-thread in my

Re: [Emc-users] Can I bounce this idea off the list?

2012-02-09 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: My understanding is, it is because RTAI (loadrt) has no floating point functions. Floating point has to be done in userland (loadusr). But now that I mention it, then why would one specify even a servo thread? I guess I don't have an understanding. No, sorry. The servo

Re: [Emc-users] Two side routing

2012-02-11 Thread Jon Elson
Erik Friesen wrote: I have been puzzling over how to deal with double sided routing of 1 pvc. Currently I am working on a 12 x 12 square area, with 10 work pieces arrayed out. Each part has a couple 1/8 zero holes that I use to line up when I flip the pvc. The problem lies in the fact that

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-12 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Hi Guys; I just broke my last brand new 1/16th carbide end mill in about 15 minutes running time, a 4 flute with about 1/2 of working length, trying to get started on another alu encoder wheel, getting about 80% of the way around the outside, running at 2500 revs, and

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: This particular sheet of alu seems to be dead soft. The chips it was making looked about the right size spinning around in the oil. Well, that may be the problem. You do NOT want to keep recutting the same chips. You want a steady stream of something to remove the

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Guy's, maybe I don't understand cutting alu as well as I thought. All along, I have believed that it was more important to keep the oxygen in the air away from the cutting surface in order to slow the formation of alu oxide on the surface, which in normal air, not

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com wrote: Taken directly from the OSG 2-3 flute carbide end mill section. dia rpm feed (ipm) .01510 7.1 .02062000 7.9 0.034 7.9 0.0625 21200 7.9 5/64

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-13 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: This effect was discussed at length when we made the first 'test' cases for our tv cameras out of alu we had cad plated back in 1960 and discovered that no amount of cad plating could protect them from 8 hours over the side of an LST 50 miles west of San Diego. I am NOT

Re: [Emc-users] A Bit OT, turning 4140

2012-02-14 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Cason wrote: Can anybody recommend what type and shape of insert to use to turn a 2 piece of pre-hardened 4140? I need to get a fairly decent finish, and I understand I will need one insert for roughing, and a different one for finishing. It's a part for my CNC mill, and I

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-14 Thread Jon Elson
Peter Blodow wrote: Climb milling is preferable if the backlash of your screw will permit it. Blades will always cut into fresh material, less friction, less heat. With small cutters, you may compensate for backlash with a fairly large retaining spring. Climb milling can be a problem

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-14 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: my trial copy timed out. http://www.mrmachinist.net/ I just checked, it seems to still have the feed rate, etc. calculator. Needs wine $70. Do they have a trial version? Since I have yet to stumble over a suitable pan to catch recycle the coolant, air

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-14 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote: I suspect the only reason to use carbide is that small HSS mills are really flexible. Well, it is both a hardness/wear resistance issue and a stiffness issue. I VERY rarely use small HSS tooling for this reason. Our shop at work is guys from the old school and almost never

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-14 Thread Jon Elson
dave wrote: GOOD GRIEF!! and I thought 0.003 on X and Y was bad. Well, that was the original 1938 Acme screw and bronze nuts. The threads in the center of the X screw are thinner to the extent you can see it from ten feet away! Now, I have a backlash of about .001 - .0015 on all the axes

Re: [Emc-users] Need advice on 1/16 end mill

2012-02-15 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: And the guy you bought it from claimed very little wear I'll bet... No, no, they were honest that it was beat, it was the last one at a HUGE auction after everybody had taken the good stuff. But, it was a SMALL machine, significantly smaller than J-head Bridgeports,

Re: [Emc-users] More control board questions

2012-02-16 Thread Jon Elson
James Louis wrote: Are there any example wiring diagrams available for this easy closed loop stepper configuration? Take a standard Universal Stepper Controller, and get it working with drives and motors of your choice. Add encoders, and flip the DIP switch on the board to select the encoder

Re: [Emc-users] question about slot width vs opto's aperture?

2012-02-17 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: What I have ATM looks like it is about 60-65% blocked, 35-40% open for slot width vs web width between the slots. These devices claim a 0.060 aperture, and these slots are perhaps 0.070 wide, with a slot spacing of about .155, so I'm thinking I need more block than

Re: [Emc-users] Is there a way to get the D525MW to boot up when the AC power is applied?

2012-02-18 Thread Jon Elson
Don Stanley wrote: Hi All; I just assembled my new D525MW computer system. When I apply power to the system the D525MW powers up for two seconds then powers down again. I built a little circuit for the D510MO to do this. You need to find out which power switch pin is the signal and which

Re: [Emc-users] question about slot width vs opto's aperture?

2012-02-18 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 18 February 2012 04:41, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Well, I'm trying to maximize the amount of time that LinuxCNC has to grab a valid sample You have been here years, surely you are not still persisting with the parport? Jon and Pete make fairly

Re: [Emc-users] question about slot width vs opto's aperture?

2012-02-18 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Ahh, yup, I guess so. I am going to get another of those back to school specials with the D525MW board in it, and another C1G interface two more of those MM-542 drivers. Since those mobo's only have one very narrow PCI- E slot, and that particular box hasn't a back

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