Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-07 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Samstag 02 August 2008 02:52:08 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:25:17 +0800 Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the > sentiment here - i'm agnostic really - though edje needs a LOT better > "scripting" su

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-05 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Carsten wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:50:10 +0200 "Cedric BAIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:43:33 +0300 Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> babbled: >>>

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread Caio Marcelo
> oh absolutely - the question more is.. to release edje 1.0 - do we remove > embryo after lua is up and fully functional (equivalent to embryo or better) I guess this depends more on how much it will take to get Lua up. The more Lua takes to be done (or at least, the more time Lua is in Edje, ava

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 10:07 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:02:38 -0300 "Caio Marcelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > > to play with it first... the question is.. embryo - keep for compatibility > > > (after the lua change) or throw out? i would keep it anyway while addi

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:02:38 -0300 "Caio Marcelo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > to play with it first... the question is.. embryo - keep for compatibility > > (after the lua change) or throw out? i would keep it anyway while adding > > lua... but then.. remove or not? i am listening to those usi

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread Caio Marcelo
> to play with it first... the question is.. embryo - keep for compatibility > (after the lua change) or throw out? i would keep it anyway while adding > lua... > but then.. remove or not? i am listening to those using embryo right now. Well, until Lua is in place I see no problem in keeping Embr

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:16:47 +0300 Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 08:57 -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Cedric BAIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > >

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 08:57 -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Cedric BAIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:43:33 +0300 Viktor Kojouharov <[E

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Cedric BAIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:43:33 +0300 Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> babbled: >>> Rhino is java based, so that's out. Then w

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread Dave Andreoli
- "Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:17:30 +0200 (CEST) Dave Andreoli > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > > I think removing embryo now is not a good idea, there are tons of > stuff > > that use embryo (also for just a toggle button).

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:17:30 +0200 (CEST) Dave Andreoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > I think removing embryo now is not a good idea, there are tons of stuff > that use embryo (also for just a toggle button). For example half of the > projects I have done use embryo (gadman, edje editor, CALCULATO

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread Dave Andreoli
- "Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:50:10 +0200 "Cedric BAIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:43:33 +0300 V

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:50:10 +0200 "Cedric BAIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:43:33

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:50:10 +0200 "Cedric BAIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:43:33 +0300 Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > >> Rhino is java based, so that's o

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-04 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:43:33 +0300 Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: >> Rhino is java based, so that's out. Then we have SpiderMonkey, which is >> currently used by gecko1.9. That's not as fas

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:43:33 +0300 Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Rhino is java based, so that's out. Then we have SpiderMonkey, which is > currently used by gecko1.9. That's not as fast as webkit's engine. Then > there's tamarin, which is practically future proof, with its suppo

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-03 Thread Terrance Hutchinson
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 09:17 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:04:53 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:51 PM, The Rasterman Carsten

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-03 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 09:17 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:04:53 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:51 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:35:39 -0300 "Gust

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:04:53 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:51 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:35:39 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > >> > I wou

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-03 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:51 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:35:39 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > >> > I wouldn't say lua isn't widespread, it's used in quite a few things >> > including interface customization

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:35:39 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > I wouldn't say lua isn't widespread, it's used in quite a few things > > including interface customization in World of Warcraft where it provides the > > power to do some pretty advanced user interfaces.

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-02 Thread Blake Barnett
On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:52 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:03:33 -0500 Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> babbled: >> >>> Jose Gonzalez wrote: Gustavo wrote: > Sin

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-02 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 3:52 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:03:33 -0500 Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > >> Jose Gonzalez wrote: >> > Gustavo wrote: >> >> Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I >> >> th

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:03:33 -0500 Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Jose Gonzalez wrote: > > Gustavo wrote: > >> Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I > >> think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even > >> if they don't really kno

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Gustavo wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gustavo wrote: >> >>> Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I >>> think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even >>> if they don't really know,

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Jose Gonzalez wrote: > Gustavo wrote: >> Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I >> think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even >> if they don't really know, they think they do and they will not be >> afraid of trying it... Also, many systems

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As someone with no scripting or coding experience, I found embryo to > be quite easy to get a handle on. I havent tried learning all those > other ones, but when it comes to all the different code stuff in Edje, > you really have to

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
As someone with no scripting or coding experience, I found embryo to be quite easy to get a handle on. I havent tried learning all those other ones, but when it comes to all the different code stuff in Edje, you really have to keep it as simple as possible. After all, edje is a canvas for art reall

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gustavo wrote: >> >> Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I >> think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even >> if they don't really know, they think they do and they wi

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Gustavo wrote: > Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I > think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even > if they don't really know, they think they do and they will not be > afraid of trying it... Also, many systems use it as scripting > langu

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Michael Jennings wrote: >>> On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), Carsten Ha

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Michael Jennings wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), >>> Carsten Haitzler wrote: >>> >>> >>> seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo.

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Jennings wrote: >> On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), >> Carsten Haitzler wrote: >> >> >>> seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the >>> sentiment here - i'm agnostic

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Michael Jennings wrote: > On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > >> seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the >> sentiment here - i'm agnostic really - though edje needs a LOT better >> "scripting" support. yes JS might b

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Saturday, 02 August 2008, at 10:52:08 (+1000), Carsten Haitzler wrote: > seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the > sentiment here - i'm agnostic really - though edje needs a LOT better > "scripting" support. yes JS might be an option - python imho is just awa

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:25:17 +0800 Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the sentiment here - i'm agnostic really - though edje needs a LOT better "scripting" support. yes JS might be an option - python imho is just away too big an

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
2008/8/2 Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Toma wrote: > Does

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Toma wrote: >>> Does embryo have any use without edje? If n

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 08:30 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >> >> > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:30 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Toma wrote: >> >> >> >> Does embr

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 08:30 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Toma wrote: > > >> > > >> Does embryo have any use without ed

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Toma wrote: > >> > >> Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje > >> is ready for release and send the

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Toma wrote: >> >> Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje >> is ready for release and send them out together? >> Toma >> > > Yes it does, it just isn't really used outside of edje at this point.

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Toma wrote: > Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje > is ready for release and send them out together? > Toma > Yes it does, it just isn't really used outside of edje at this point. > 2008/8/2 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi guys, >> >> As

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje is ready for release and send them out together? Toma 2008/8/2 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi guys, > > As we're discussing on lots of threads, it would be good, if not > necessary, to release parts of E that