Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Samuel Nicholas
Nick Hughart wrote: > Toma wrote: > >> On 01/08/2008, Downknew Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> |Sorry for my bad english, fix me| >>> >>> I think that the e community need: >>> 1. A website well structured. Today it is unusable!!! >>> It should be simple! The first page has to

Re: [E-devel] Porting E to an ARM based embedded system.

2008-08-01 Thread Robert Schwebel
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 09:12:25AM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > Note that the i.MX31 has a PowerVR MBX graphics core which is not > > documented publically. What's proposed as OpenGL ES support is a > > proprietary blob of source code which can be get under NDA from > > Freescale. > > yeah. i

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:36:55 +0930 Samuel Nicholas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Hughart wrote: > > Toma wrote: > > > >> LoCo's (local communities) are a great way to get people involved. > >> You just need to find more E users to effectively have a LoCo... I > >> only know 1 other Aussie (

[E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Let me give Carsten and Jorge a few more philosophical speculations here on this stuff. If you've followed this "vgfx api" proposal you'll see that it introduces such concepts to evas by allowing for one to set relevant properties on evas objects that might support such - rects, lines,

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Massimiliano Calamelli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:34:54 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > right now, e planet has not a lot of topics related to development That's true, and it is bad. If we want to use it we have to clean up the aggregated feeds. In fact

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me give Carsten and Jorge a few more philosophical speculations here > on this stuff. > > If you've followed this "vgfx api" proposal you'll see that it introduces > such concepts to evas by allowing for one t

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jorge wrote: >> >> Some time ago i had another idea that i've been implementing, some of >> you already know enesim and ekeko, some other dont, let me explain why >> i think adding this to evas is not good imho. >> >> One

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Jorge wrote: > . >> Let's consider the first part above only, and let me ask you this: What >> are the successful/modern gfx *apis* out there used for building guis, what >> are >> their models, what are their primitives, how do they deal with extensibility >> or custom rendering. Take a lo

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Jorge wrote: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Let me give Carsten and Jorge a few more philosophical speculations here >> on this stuff. >> >> If you've followed this "vgfx api" proposal you'll see that it >> introduces >> such concepts

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jorge wrote: >> >> . >>> >>>Let's consider the first part above only, and let me ask you this: >>> What >>> are the successful/modern gfx *apis* out there used for building guis, >>> what >>> are >>> their models, w

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
I wrote: > Jorge wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Let me give Carsten and Jorge a few more philosophical speculations >>> here >>> on this stuff. >>> >>> If you've followed this "vgfx api" proposal you'll see that

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Jorge wrote: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Jorge wrote: >> >>> . >>> Let's consider the first part above only, and let me ask you this: What are the successful/modern gfx *apis* out there used for building guis,

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wrote: >> >> Jorge wrote: >> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Let me give Carsten and Jorge a few more philosophical speculations here on this s

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Jose Gonzalez wrote: > I wrote: >> Jorge wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> Let me give Carsten and Jorge a few more philosophical speculations here on this stuff. If you've followed this "vgfx

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jose Gonzalez wrote: >> >> I wrote: >>> >>> Jorge wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me give Carsten and Jorge a few more philosophic

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Jorge wrote: > >> Ummm... Just took a quick look at ekeko (been a long time since I last >> looked at it) and no, what you have there is not the same thing at all. >> You have something we'd mentioned before, long ago.. namely, having >> 'object modules' wherein the objs provide their

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Jorge wrote: > ... >> Ummm... That kind of depends on the api exposed.. which is somewhat >> varied there. You could use this or that part - say the vgfx stuff plus >> whatever image stuff.. very similar to the frameworks we mentioned. >> But it's still too 'backend' specific. Better to hav

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part III

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
I wrote: > Jorge wrote: > >> ... >> >>> Ummm... That kind of depends on the api exposed.. which is somewhat >>> varied there. You could use this or that part - say the vgfx stuff plus >>> whatever image stuff.. very similar to the frameworks we mentioned. >>> But it's still too 'bac

[E-devel] Weird crash...

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
I was just about to watch a movie when bam, E17 crashed and took itself out. Now thats ok, Im kind of cool with that, but it started using more CPU than normal. So I busted open a xterm and ran 'ps aux' to find this... toma 13572 81.8 0.4 10492 2556 ?Rs 20:26 1:13 /usr/local/bin

Re: [E-devel] Weird crash...

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
Well I dont know what the hell is going on, but the themes were backed up into my home dir with a bunch of weird characters as the folder name. http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/scared-toma.png Needless to say, why would it do that? Ive got gdb open and ready if it happens again. Toma 2008/

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
Join late the discussion and badly starting with a top-post, I think that trying to make Evas a canvas that supports both raster, vector and maybe other (3d?) is bad, it will increase complexity, decrease performance or both. If we add means to easily integrate with cairo, antigrain or other vecto

Re: [E-devel] Weird crash...

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just about to watch a movie when bam, E17 crashed and took > itself out. Now thats ok, Im kind of cool with that, but it started > using more CPU than normal. So I busted open a xterm and ran 'ps aux' > to find this... > > toma

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
> That's true, and it is bad. If we want to use it we have to clean up > the aggregated feeds. In fact planet is just a feed aggregator, a very > good feed aggregator, but imho it could be good to have an official E > blog. I really don't see the point of a blog. Why not just put your blog entry

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 2:34 AM, Vincent Torri wrote: >> >> 2. E planet!?! Developers and power users should few lines on e >> status of >> developement. This involves. > > right now, e planet has not a lot of topics related to development > You'll also notice that about 90% of planet.e.o content is my

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote: >> right now, e planet has not a lot of topics related to development >> > > You'll also notice that about 90% of planet.e.o content is myself and benr. > Of everyone on the planet it appears that Toma and Horton are the only two > who are doing EFL blo

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Massimiliano Calamelli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:03:18 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really don't see the point of a blog. Why not just put your blog > entry in the news section? The news section is essentially a blog. > > dan Hmmm, right, I think I misu

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
Right!!! Now the site could have all the contents and the documentation necessary to the user but it isn't easy to find the informations which you are looking for, I have a question. Why e web site has that layout? The logo on top it's too big and hide the really contents. Menu is divised in two

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Downknew Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right!!! > > Now the site could have all the contents and the documentation necessary to > the user but it isn't easy to find the informations which you are looking > for, > > I have a question. Why e web site has that layo

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Matteo
> because raster did it like that :-D > I'm not sure why people don't want to use a cms, but I've being told > that they want to keep like that (cvs based). If you keep it CVS-based, it's hard to develop and hard to update with news, topic and more. The EFL was (and will) develop with semplicity

[E-devel] Nightly build log for E17 on 2008-08-01 07:11:08 -0700

2008-08-01 Thread Nightly build system
Build log for Enlightenment DR 0.17 on 2008-08-01 07:11:08 -0700 Build logs are available at http://download.enlightenment.org/tests/logs Packages that failed to build: enna http://download.enlightenment.org/tests/logs/enna.log epdf http://download.enlightenment.org/tests/logs/epdf.log Packages

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
2008/8/1 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Downknew Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Right!!! > > > > Now the site could have all the contents and the documentation necessary > to > > the user but it isn't easy to find the informations which you a

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > because raster did it like that :-D > I'm not sure why people don't want to use a cms, but I've being told > that they want to keep like that (cvs based). We went through a couple CMS's before, one of which bro

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
the website is in the process of being of being redone. So far it is in the planning stages. Stay tuned! On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01/08/2008, Downknew Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > |Sorry for my bad english, fix me| > > > > I think that the e co

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
Correct, We even looked into cms's before we moved the site onto the new servers. The thing is a lot of them were difficult to design for and quite cumbersome. I'm looking into the options now of reopening up the cms option. I know since we've looked into Cms's projects like drupal and joomla have

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
It will not stay cvs-based We will either make our own php software or use a cms. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Matteo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > because raster did it like that :-D > > I'm not sure why people don't want to use a cms, but I've being told > > that they want to keep like

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
hold off on redesigning anything yet We have some very specific plans that we're talking about... I will let you know at a later point. but there could be some fun involved in redesigning the website :) On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On F

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
I agree, a blog itself is not needed but a good news section is. but now that get-e is mostly closing it's doors I think that opens up more content writers. I'd honestly like to get into the habit of having one article a week or biweekly on someone who's using e's components to build a product or a

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Ian Caldwell wrote: > the website is in the process of being of being redone. So far it is in the > planning stages. Stay tuned! As always, everyone is doing is job without mentioning it. I was not aware of a redesign of the website, i don't know what it will look like. At

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:29:25 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: > As always, everyone is doing is job without mentioning it. I was not > aware of a redesign of the website, i don't know what it will look > like. > > At least, you should send a mail about that, also you should > describe the

[E-devel] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
So now it is your chance to tell us why we should be using a specific cms verses the alternative of just making our own specific to our needs and keeping it minimalistic. Please give the pros and the cons and explorer the issues that would involve e directly (e.g. themeing, translations etc etc) --

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: > On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:29:25 (+0200), > Vincent Torri wrote: > >> As always, everyone is doing is job without mentioning it. I was not >> aware of a redesign of the website, i don't know what it will look >> like. >> >> At least, you should

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
I've downloaded the e site from cvs. The php backend it's ok but ther's a little problem: seems that the graphic isn't fully divided from the code. In a website complex, such as this, the graphic side should be indipendent from the backend to make the update work and the enhancements, the graphic i

[E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you think it should have. My personal views are this is what we need to see differently. Feel free to chime in and add to what you'd like to see on the new site *1. Create links to all the software ( wiki, bug tracker, forums, sour

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
Sorry... i've read only now the other mails. I'll wait for the new e website... but would be nice if the webdesigner involved the community in the developement, at least with the mailing list... With the last mails i 've understand that this isn't a community... and e cannot have its community...

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Downknew Wise wrote: > 2008/8/1 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Downknew Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Right!!! >>> >>> Now the site could have all the contents and the documentation necessary >>> >> to >> >>> the

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Zachary Goldberg
On 8/1/08, Ian Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you think it > should have. > My personal views are this is what we need to see differently. Feel free to > chime in and add to what you'd like to see on the new site > > *1. Crea

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:47:22 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: > So what ? Just an example of something that is nice (that is > exchange) does not mean that everything will be nice. I never said that. But it does illustrate that doing something in secret does not inherently invalidate it o

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Downknew Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Sorry... i've read only now the other mails. I'll wait for the new e > website... but would be nice if the webdesigner involved the community in > the developement, at least with the mailing list... > > With the last mails

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
Yup, I'd like to eliminate submenus completely One navigation on all pages that has links to pretty much everything. The goal of the new site is make it a lot more usable. With regularly updated news, and a lot of static content around it. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAI

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Gustavo wrote: > Join late the discussion and badly starting with a top-post, I think > that trying to make Evas a canvas that supports both raster, vector > and maybe other (3d?) is bad, it will increase complexity, decrease > performance or both. > > Increased complexity, yes - in the s

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Downknew Wise
I think that the community. if it exists, should be involved!!! Then if raster doesn't mind the e users opinion and does what he belivies right, it isn't very important. But blog, write the plans and the projects in ml on the site on blogs where u want. Many users are tired to see that it changed n

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Ian Caldwell wrote: > Yup, I'd like to eliminate submenus completely One navigation on all pages > that has links to pretty much everything. The goal of the new site is make > it a lot more usable. With regularly updated news, and a lot of static > content around it. > This is bad design imo, i

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 19:47:22 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: So what ? Just an example of something that is nice (that is exchange) does not mean that everything will be nice. I never said that. But it does illustrate that doing somethin

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
First off. Lets clear a couple things up. No one is not involving the community. I was just saying wait a couple days so that we can clear up some details with the boss (raster) . Now if you have opinions on the site share your cms ones in the cms thread and the general ones in the what you want t

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Jennings
On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 20:38:46 (+0200), Vincent Torri wrote: > I have no design, but i have already complained about the web site > on the ML. I'm not a good designers, but i think that there are some > things that MUST appear on a web site. All I'm saying is, if something better had come

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Ian Caldwell wrote: What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you think it should have. one remark and one question: My personal views are this is what we need to see differently. Feel free to chime in and add to what you'd like to see on the new site

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Torri
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: >> I agree. And that's exactly the opposite of raster's way of leading >> the project. He said that a lot, btw : he does NOT want to impose >> things to committers. > > So why are you afraid he'll do so? i am not, it's the contrary. I just want that s

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Vincent Torri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Michael Jennings wrote: > >>> I agree. And that's exactly the opposite of raster's way of leading >>> the project. He said that a lot, btw : he does NOT want to impose >>> things to committers. >> >>

[E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
Hi guys, As we're discussing on lots of threads, it would be good, if not necessary, to release parts of E that we think are in good shape. This will help in many fronts, including easy of use since distros will start to package it officially. After Eet, I'd like to see Embryo release since it's m

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Veli Ogla Sungutay
Articles friends. We need lots of them. Even a small tutorial, small usage examples would do. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Ian Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you think it > should have. > My personal views are this is what we

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Andre Dieb
There are a bunch of articles, but you won't reach them easily (like in a list). (I always need to consult something on the wiki or docs and it's always a pain to find related links). I think a list of related links (such as wikipedia.org ones) at the bottom would be really useful. Cheersm 2008/

Re: [E-devel] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
Should it be strictly written in php? The current website uses php, but perhaps the doors are open for other languages, and the cmses written in them. On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:46 -0700, Ian Caldwell wrote: > So now it is your chance to tell us why we should be using a specific cms > verses the alt

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
The major part. If it is not done already, separate the presentation from the logic code. Make sure a designer can do the job of styling the site without touching any underlying code. On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 11:04 -0700, Ian Caldwell wrote: > What would you like to see on the new website? What goals

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 10:40 AM, Matteo wrote: >> because raster did it like that :-D >> I'm not sure why people don't want to use a cms, but I've being told >> that they want to keep like that (cvs based). > > > If you keep it CVS-based, it's hard to develop and hard to update > with news, > topic an

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje is ready for release and send them out together? Toma 2008/8/2 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi guys, > > As we're discussing on lots of threads, it would be good, if not > necessary, to release parts of E that

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Toma wrote: > Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje > is ready for release and send them out together? > Toma > Yes it does, it just isn't really used outside of edje at this point. > 2008/8/2 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi guys, >> >> As

Re: [E-devel] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread Sthithaprajna Garapaty
The only reason for php would be that a number of the devs are familiar with it, so if we need to write our own integration pieces, it might be easier. But the server is ours and we can install anything on it.. so PHP is not a hard restriction. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[E

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Toma wrote: >> >> Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje >> is ready for release and send them out together? >> Toma >> > > Yes it does, it just isn't really used outside of edje at this point.

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 2:49 PM, Michael Jennings wrote: > On Friday, 01 August 2008, at 20:38:46 (+0200), > Vincent Torri wrote: > >> I have no design, but i have already complained about the web site >> on the ML. I'm not a good designers, but i think that there are some >> things that MUST appear on a

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 3:41 PM, Veli Ogla Sungutay wrote: > Articles friends. We need lots of them. Even a small tutorial, small > usage > examples would do. Saying we need articles is fine. Finding people to write good articles is hard. dan --

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Caldwell
well, now that get-e is basically shut down. that opens up some more writers right there. On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:26 PM, dn sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1-Aug-08, at 3:41 PM, Veli Ogla Sungutay wrote: > > > Articles friends. We need lots of them. Even a small tutorial, small > > us

Re: [E-devel] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
I can suggest http://bricolage.cc/ . I've heard good things about it, and I'm a perl guy myself. Though according to wikipedia, a recent version embeds the php5 interpreter, so the php guys can feel at home too. On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 16:23 -0400, Sthithaprajna Garapaty wrote: > The only reason for

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
Err, not to burst your bubble or anything, but there wasn't a lot of 'writing' going on at get-e. On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 13:28 -0700, Ian Caldwell wrote: > well, now that get-e is basically shut down. that opens up some more writers > right there. > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:26 PM, dn sinclair <[

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 2:04 PM, Ian Caldwell wrote: > What would you like to see on the new website? What goals do you > think it > should have. > My personal views are this is what we need to see differently. Feel > free to > chime in and add to what you'd like to see on the new site > > *1.

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 4:47 PM, dan sinclair wrote: >> *5. weekly or biweekly articles* >> > > Ditto to 1. They can also write the articles on the Wiki which is > probably a better choice. Makes them easier to maintain in the long > run. They can then be linked from the main site. This is what we

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina cedric

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
The COPYING file for this is currently blank. What license is this work under? Can someone please fill in the COPYING file. Thanks, dan On 30-Jul-08, at 8:46 AM, Enlightenment CVS wrote: > Enlightenment CVS committal > > Author : cedric > Project : e17 > Module : proto/eina > > Dir : e

Re: [E-devel] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
dan sinclair wrote: > On 1-Aug-08, at 4:47 PM, dan sinclair wrote: > >>> *5. weekly or biweekly articles* >>> >>> >> Ditto to 1. They can also write the articles on the Wiki which is >> probably a better choice. Makes them easier to maintain in the long >> run. They can then be link

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:52:31 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:36:55 +0930 Samuel Nicholas > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Nick Hughart wrote: > > > Toma wrote: > > > > > >> LoCo's (local communities) are a great way to get people involved. > > >> You j

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I!.

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:17:34 -0400 Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >Carsten wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:58:24 -0400 Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > > > >> Ok, now for a proposed api for evas "vgfx objects" -- a very simple > >> one, but general

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Toma wrote: > >> > >> Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje > >> is ready for release and send the

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] [website] cms?

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:46:01 -0700 "Ian Caldwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > So now it is your chance to tell us why we should be using a specific cms > verses the alternative of just making our own specific to our needs and > keeping it minimalistic. Please give the pros and the cons and explo

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:17:17 -0400 Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > fair enough. are co-ords relative to object or canvas-global? i think we > > possible needs to make this object-relative? > > > > > > Object relative, ie. rel to obj's coord sys. - that works best for > e

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:40:04 -0500 "Nathan Ingersoll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Since the most recent license flamewar was triggered by the motivation > of community building, I think now would be an appropriate time to > brainstorm some additional ideas for helping to build the community > a

Re: [E-devel] Proposed evas gfx api changes and additions - part I.

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:04:39 +0200 "Jorge Luis Zapata Muga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As the subject states, let me make a (relatively) short summary of some > > proposed changes and additions to the evas gfx

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 08:30 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Toma wrote: > > >> > > >> Does embryo have any use without ed

[E-devel] Load an image from memory for evas

2008-08-01 Thread Timo Drick
Hi all, i would like to make a proof of concept for displaying a jpeg video stream with evas. I will compare this to gtk. It is for a project that should run on the new Freerunner from Openmoko so performance is relevant. My problem: the evas function: evas_object_image_file_set(image, "test.

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:17 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > as for blogging - yes. we need this. this is good. i've always liked the > idea > of a tech-interested person that reads cvs commit logs, hangs on irc and > reads > email.. and kind of blogs about the

Re: [E-devel] Load an image from memory for evas

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:21:26 +0200 Timo Drick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Hi all, > > i would like to make a proof of concept for displaying a jpeg video > stream with evas. I will compare this to gtk. It is for a project that > should run on the new Freerunner from Openmoko so performance i

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:30 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Toma wrote: >> >> >> >> Does embr

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 08:30 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >> >> > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Nick Hughart
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Toma wrote: >>> Does embryo have any use without edje? If n

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 7:40 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > I can do that. I've been reading the CVS logs, E-devel discussions > and stuff > for years, so I think I can post news and blog about the major > events in the > community/changes in the E(FL). The problem is, I am quite tech- > interested, >

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread Toma
2008/8/2 Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:23:41 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Toma wrote: > Does

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 6:17 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > yeah. i agree we need releases. it's probably our biggest issue. > right now in > lib-space i'd want to clean up 2 major thnigs that are currently > underway: > > 1. eina - move fully to using it. remove all data stuff from eco

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
> Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can > syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can add > news items about them that point back to the blog. http://enlightenedjournal.wordpress.com/ Any suggestions, guys? > > > dan > > > > -- Luchezar

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread Luchezar Petkov
> > > This is probably better to do before we release. If we put out Edje > with Embryo support and then remove Embryo with Edje2 we'll be pissing > off a lot of people that create themes and applications. Better to > bite the bullet and deal with it now and get it done. I completely agree. >

Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:25:17 +0800 Toma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: seems there's a few votes for keep of embryo. i'm going to just monitor the sentiment here - i'm agnostic really - though edje needs a LOT better "scripting" support. yes JS might be an option - python imho is just away too big an

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:27:30 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > On 1-Aug-08, at 6:17 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > yeah. i agree we need releases. it's probably our biggest issue. > > right now in > > lib-space i'd want to clean up 2 major thnigs that are curre

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 02:40:29 +0300 "Luchezar Petkov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:17 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can do that. I've been reading the CVS logs, E-devel discussions and stuff > for years, so I think I can post news

Re: [E-devel] Community Building

2008-08-01 Thread dan sinclair
On 1-Aug-08, at 8:38 PM, Luchezar Petkov wrote: > Setup a blog on one of the many blogging platforms around and we can > syndicate the feed to planet.e.org. As relevant posts appear we can > add news items about them that point back to the blog. > > http://enlightenedjournal.wordpress.com/ >

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