Try running something like:
%rm -rf /bin/Laden
It's more direct than killing processes with xdoom.
At 01:49 PM 9/13/2001 -0700, you wrote:
I will be there tonight. But be aware that Seth and I are vocally in
disagreement in what the country should do, and we're pretty much the
loudest kids
EUGLUG is actively seeking a location to meet.
Any help/leads would be welcome.
EFN's location is changing, and we are unsure if
the new location will have space for us, and even
then, it's not the best fix for a number of
reasons.
Also, The number of meetings will be reduced,
probably to every
I think EFN is a great place for EUG-LUG, as the missions of each are very simular,
and quite parallel(sp?).
However there is currently a bit of turmoil, things will settle down eventually...
EWEB has been mentioned many times as a meeting place over the years, but I
guess nobody
Jamie wrote:
I think EFN is a great place for EUG-LUG, as the missions of each are
very similar, and quite parallel.
However there is currently a bit of turmoil, things will settle down
eventually...
Maybe. With no reflection on Patrick or Larry or you, I have to say that
the EFN internal
I did. Back doors are a good idea. We need strict laws to cover there use.
fsck that, Jacob.
Dennis Eberl
From: Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:44:02 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EUG-LUG:2734] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: US Congress
--- Dennis J. Eberl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I did. Back doors are a good idea. We need
strict laws to cover there use.
fsck that, Jacob.
Some good answers to that on Slashdot in a recent
article.
quick summary:
1) Why would anyone upgrade to lesser encryption?
2) The 'escalation' war can
Wouldn't putting back doors into encryption schemes in the US mean that
we could only decrypt messages encrypted with our own crypts? It
wouldn't help us decrypt anything done with encryption developed
elseware. So basically they want to spy on Americans. I feel safer
already
TimH
It isn't so much the politics as the political culture of EFN that causes
the problem. There's this deeply ingrained sense of territoriality
regarding various programs and activities within and around EFN that could
be traced back quite a ways. However, a strategic withdrawal from efn is
probably
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:49:13AM -0700, Dennis J. Eberl wrote:
I did. Back doors are a good idea. We need strict laws to cover there use.
fsck that, Jacob.
Over and above the civil rights issues, back doors are a technical idiocy.
Any encryption that comes pre-equipped with vulnerabilities
Tim Howe wrote:
Wouldn't putting back doors into encryption schemes in the US mean that
we could only decrypt messages encrypted with our own crypts? It
wouldn't help us decrypt anything done with encryption developed
elseware. So basically they want to spy on Americans. I feel safer
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 10:20:41AM -0700, Tim Howe wrote:
Wouldn't putting back doors into encryption schemes in the US mean that
we could only decrypt messages encrypted with our own crypts? It
wouldn't help us decrypt anything done with encryption developed
elseware. So basically they
Yes. I ussually get attacked when I talk like this. Let me buy you a
beer.
TimH
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jacob Meuser
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EUG-LUG:2746] Re: US Congress
i've been working with this library called beecrypt which is basically a
toolkit implementation of some of the more popular crypto algorithms.
I've been especially interested in the idea of digitally signed
contracts and commitments.
more info at http://beecrypt.org
output of ls|grep c$
uhh... when you guys go have that beer, can I come along? id like to hear more (and
maybe have a beer!)
Jamie
Yes. I ussually get attacked when I talk like this. Let me buy you a
beer.
TimH
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jacob
A little bird told me that your users' group has recently contracted with EFN
for use of one of its room at their Charnelton facility.
I wanted to assure you that your group is more than welcome to join us at our
monthly meetingd at the Community Room at EWEB.
I've been presiding at the
I guess Mike isn't still subscribed, but the offer is sweet...
--
Ed Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Taxi (I need an income) GNU/Linux (I can afford a Free OS)
Think this through with me, let me know your mind...Hunter/Garcia
-- Forwarded message --
Seth, I'd like to read the article to which you refer. Please send
me a citation. Thanks.
Dennis Eberl
From: Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:06:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EUG-LUG:2740] Re: US Congress already
Well, FWIW, here's my take on the issue. What you are seeing now are a lot
of dumb ideas by people who don't understand the technology. However, I
don't agree that the purpose is to spy on Americans. With all due respect
to what is apparently a highly emotional issue, that's nonsense.
I believe
From: Patrick R. Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:40:58 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EUG-LUG:2743] Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: US Congress already discussing
bans on strong crypto]
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:49:13AM -0700, Dennis J.
Below.
From: Randolph Fritz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:41:01 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EUG-LUG:2744] Re: US Congress already discussing bans on strong
crypto]
Tim Howe wrote:
Wouldn't putting back doors into encryption schemes
Hello, Jacob.
From: Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:23:54 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EUG-LUG:2746] Re: US Congress already discussing bans on strong
crypto]
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 10:20:41AM -0700, Tim Howe wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 06:45:15PM -0700, Dennis J. Eberl wrote:
This is the first reasonable response I have read. Randolf, how would you
crack bin Laden's security?
Well, to begin with, find out what languages his organization uses and
find people who know them well. Then undertake some
Dennis, I gave you the site, and told you it was
recent (like in the last few days).
Do the f*ing work yourself.
(and yes, I'm annoyed. So far, all of your
responses are continued bullshit. You just don't
get it. People have tried explaining a few
times, and you're just missing it.
The BARN
Randolf,
Now you're talking. The best way for the Internet community to defend itself
against knee jerk foolish decisions by Congress is to step up to the plate
and offer realistic solutions. I'll refrain from making what I feel are a
few trivial comments about your reply: it is a fine response
Below...
From: Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:25:51 -0700 (PDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EUG-LUG:2759] Re: US Congress already discussing bans on strong
crypto]
Dennis, I gave you the site, and told you it was
recent (like in
When encryption is outlawed,
bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
Come back when you can read that.
Caesar shift by 13 -- is that what rot13 is?
BTW, here's a fun trick to do really easily breakable encryption, but
enough to stop people from prying at your ASCII files...
vim -x filename
It
--- Rob Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When encryption is outlawed,
bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
Come back when you can read that.
Caesar shift by 13 -- is that what rot13 is?
Bingo.
Rot13 - the old standby. Expect it to be
outlawed sometime next week.
Below...
From: Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:25:51 -0700 (PDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EUG-LUG:2759] Re: US Congress already discussing bans on strong
crypto]
Dennis, I gave you the site, and told you it was
recent (like in
...only outlaws will have privacy...
I actually started a frequency count before recognizing the pattern =P
As poorly as our Government manages to keep secrets, the back doors
would be in the hands of China, Russia, and anybody friendly to them in
no time. If you build a backdoor, it will be
Hell, Seth, I didn't know you were an elected
leader.
I'm not. Everyone knows that EUGLUG is far too
anarchistic for us to hold elections.
EUGLUG is a technocratic collective: He who
demonstrates knowledge is respected.
My 'president' of EUGLUG status is mostly because
I'm knowledgable,
Actually, I find myself once again agreeing with Seth. I think this is
like 3 times in one day! Sheesh!
This IS the way the world is. It didn't change on the 11th, the truth
was just shoved down America's throat at what looked like about 400mph.
We should count ourselves lucky that this is
To all EUG_LUGer's --
Greetings. Having new job duties and a move have prevented me from
attending meeting or participating in the list as frequently as last
year. I do still lurk as I highly value and respect the persons and
information the group holds in common.
I must express my outrage at
Similarly, you could do (again) what the FBI did to the New Jersey
mobster Scarffo see story at this link:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46329,00.html
Woody
Randolph Fritz wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 06:45:15PM -0700, Dennis J. Eberl wrote:
This is the first reasonable
The information is available to anybody who really wants to know about
it. They can read Applied Cryptography as I have. They can read
Secrets and lies: digital security in a networked world as I have.
They can read the fscking Crypto-gram as I do. I don't think they are
interested in the
--- Tim Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I find myself once again agreeing
with Seth. I think this is
like 3 times in one day! Sheesh!
Better watch out. You too may find yourself in
the bliss that is Seth. (a long standing joke
among my friends, stolen from Stargate SG-1)
As
From: Seth Cohn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 20:04:54 -0700 (PDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EUG-LUG:2768] Re: US Congress already discussing bans on strong
crypto]
Hell, Seth, I didn't know you were an elected
leader.
I'm not. Everyone
Thank you.
TimH
Woody wrote:
To all EUG_LUGer's --
Greetings. Having new job duties and a move have prevented me from
attending meeting or participating in the list as frequently as last
year. I do still lurk as I highly value and respect the persons and
information the group holds in
I only want to voice my opinion here, not start a debate. So here goes:
Encryption is a waste of time for honest people.
Regards, Jim Darrough
At 10:40 AM 9/14/2001 -0700, you wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:49:13AM -0700, Dennis J. Eberl wrote:
I did. Back doors are a
My God, Noam Chomsky? Is he still alive? Pretty good linguist but self
loathing crackpot otherwise.
...ill-considered racist prejudice? You must mean those camel fuckers who
like to shoot into the air. Do you know anything about firearms? How many of
their own people do you think they kill every
People have a basic right to privacy. I agree with that. What I do
not agree with is their right to send private messages over a free, public,
and worldwide network. A lot of the guys will not agree with me, but I am
older than most of them, and I do not want an enemy to have ANY
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, mro wrote:
Isn't there an activism mailing list?
It hasn't received a single message the entire several weeks I've been
subscribed.
for geek roommate needed, unlimited bandwidth included.
[Chris perks up] What's the rent?
-Chris
Title: RE: Your recent email (Ref: 90100)
I wrote Dfazio, Wyden and Smith about Dmitri so
far only Defazio replied, but feedback never hurts.
Jim K
-Original Message-From:
Defazio, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date:
Friday, September 14, 2001 7:28
On 20010914.2102, Jim Darrough said ...
I only want to voice my opinion here, not start a debate. So here goes:
Encryption is a waste of time for honest people.
What about online transactions and encrypted credit card numbers?
What about using SSH instead of telnet so
Yow! you got an actual reply! cool!
i just keep getting these silly form letters from Senator Gordon Smith
saying he's concerned about my problem but doesn't intend to do anything
about it.
ps. it's good to see something positive instead of drawn plasma torches on
this list.
pps. rob i think
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