Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr

2018-10-15 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Peri nailed it - at least as far as California is concerned. I think that the attitude is pretty small picture. We’re spending a lot on *incentives* to get people to buy them. This is a disincentive. EVERYBODY benefits when someone buys an EV. But...we do need a solution to pay for the roads.

Re: [EVDL] Used bargain Tesla III

2018-10-15 Thread - - via EV
Yes, a demo unit that was never previously registered is eligible for the Federal Tax rebate. I successfully applied for the Federal rebate on my demo Model S. Mike > On October 15, 2018 at 3:26 PM Mark Abramowitz mailto:ma...@enviropolicy.com > wrote: > > > I’m 95% sure that you can,

Re: [EVDL] Used bargain Tesla III

2018-10-15 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 15 Oct 2018 at 15:05, paul dove via EV wrote: > Tesla is competing with Mercedes and BMW not Toyota. The X and S models were supposed to be the luxury class cars. I thought the 3 was supposed to be the long-promised "Tesla for the rest of us," an affordable car. As far as I know, BMW

Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr

2018-10-15 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
This isn't about fiscal responsibility.  It's exactly the opposite. Nor does it have really anything to do with EV's except as a stupid scapegoat.. As I said before they have nearly the LOWEST tax and it hasn't changed for 29 years and they are refusing to raise taxes to fix their bridges.   

Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr

2018-10-15 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I agree, it's politics. But for a different reason. Currently there aren't enough EVs for an EV tax to accumulate anything significant. Yet, as few as there are, there are loud voices saying it's unfair for EV users to use the roads without paying their share of taxes. Many governments expect

Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr

2018-10-15 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
I think it's politics. Mississippi's gas tax hasn't been raised since 1989!!!.    Only Alaska's tax (1970's era) is older.   At $18.79 centsit's also the 4th lowest in the country.   (average is about 31 cents) Now they are having some real problems.  Across the state, residents now have to

Re: [EVDL] Used bargain Tesla III

2018-10-15 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I’m 95% sure that you can, as long as it hasn’t been registered yet. If you are California, the same applies to the state rebate and to the car scrapping program rebate. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Charles Galpin via EV wrote: > > Do you

Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr

2018-10-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
This isn't about revenue. The piddling amount it's raising clearly demonstrates that. It's a fine. It's not even a fine for trying to beat the system. These politicians aren't just pro-business, they're actively and vehemently anti-environment. If you're pro-environment, even mildly so,

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-15 Thread paul dove via EV
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[EVDL] Motorcycle hub motor setup

2018-10-15 Thread ken via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr

2018-10-15 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Odp: Motorcycle hub motor setup

2018-10-15 Thread Peter C. Thompson via EV
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[EVDL] Odp: Motorcycle hub motor setup

2018-10-15 Thread Artur Kubik via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Motorcycle hub motor setup

2018-10-15 Thread Ty Delaney via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-15 Thread paul dove via EV
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[EVDL] Motorcycle hub motor setup

2018-10-15 Thread Eduardo Kaftanski via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Used bargain Tesla III

2018-10-15 Thread Charles Galpin via EV
Do you still get the $7,500 tax credit on the demo cars? If yes, then thats a really god deal. charles > On Oct 15, 2018, at 12:57 PM, - - via EV wrote: > > I bought my Tesla Model S as a demo release with 11,000 miles. It had a full > factory warranty, beginning on the date and mileage it

[EVDL] EVtax: $150yr

2018-10-15 Thread Bill Collins via EV
That is about half what I was paying in gas tax for the vehicle we replaced with the LEAF or about the same as the gas tax would be on the highest gas mileage ICE I could buy. I assume the people complaining are ones who don't drive much, but I feel like I'm getting deal on road tax. Bill

Re: [EVDL] Used bargain Tesla III

2018-10-15 Thread - - via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr> unfair, punitive - FAIR -but EQUAL!

2018-10-15 Thread - - via EV
Idaho implemented a similar fee on plug-in hybrids ($75) and electric vehicles ($140) about 3 years ago. The EV fee is about the equivalent of driving 13,000 miles at 30 mpg. I drive enough in my EV to cover that, but I suspect that many drivers don't Mike > On October 15, 2018 at 9:03 AM

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-15 Thread Tom Hudson via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-15 Thread Willie via EV
On 10/15/2018 08:08 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Yes, I assume the order-by-15-Oct deadline is to get a guaranteed tesla delivery before 31 Dec. But I bet as the end of year approaches a lot of people will be looking over avaiable inventory and snapping them up. At first I was thinking

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-15 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr> unfair, punitive - FAIR -but EQUAL!

2018-10-15 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
It IS fair to add a road tax to EVs who have been getting a free ride on the roads... While protecting the environment... *BUT ONLY IF* they also add an environmental tax on ICEs who have been getting a free ride on the environment! See: http://aprs.org/EV-and-gas-taxes.html -Original

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu

2018-10-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 15 Oct 2018 at 1:27, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > According to this website, the average total price paid for a new car is > $31500. Well, since someone compared the Tesla 3 to a couple of ICEVs, I might point out that a Prius (a perfectly acceptable ICEV, in my book) starts at under $25k

Re: [EVDL] led t8 powered by dc battery

2018-10-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 15 Oct 2018 at 0:26, ken via EV wrote: > I and i'm sure others would to take led t8 bulbs form like HD and wire > htem directly to the dc, led strip inside, without even having to deal > with the 120 volt ac stuff... I don't see what this has to do with EVs. But that aside, I'd expect

Re: [EVDL] led t8 powered by dc battery

2018-10-15 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
LED TL bulbs that I have seen have a high voltage series connection of LEDs. Either ~24 LEDs in series for about 90VDC of supply and several series strings connected in parallel, Or a single string and a high voltage inverter (special ballast) required. You would need to cut and somehow connect

[EVDL] EVtax: $150yr> unfair, punitive, nil-revenue, EVs= easy-target

2018-10-15 Thread brucedp5 via EV
[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVtax-150yr-75yr-for-pih-hevs-in-MS-v-tp4691385.html ] http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=69145 An unfair tax?: Drivers take issue with hybrid/electric car fees; lawmakers claim they are reasonable in face of road,

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181015

2018-10-15 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Niro-EV-4-us-to-go-along-w-Niro-hev-pih-versions-tp4691439.html EVLN: Niro EV 4.us> to go along w/ Niro hev& pih versions Kia Niro EV Confirmed for the U.S., Arriving Early Next Year ... coming to the U.S. market, and when it

[EVDL] EVLN: EV Nut Builds Battery Pack Trailer (v)

2018-10-15 Thread brucedp5 via EV
https://jalopnik.com/this-ev-nut-built-a-range-extending-battery-pack-traile-1829585212 This EV Nut Built A Range-Extending Battery Pack Trailer 2018-10-07 Bradley Brownell [image