[EVDL] As an aid when recommending an EV to someone else,

2014-08-02 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
One question that a potential EV car buyer always asks is "Just how far it will take me before another charge is needed? " Perhaps we should have another computation available, as comparison, for each vehicle: Cost to drive 40 miles (Average daily commute.) (Dollars per mile.) Time to drive

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Ben Goren via EV > > ... I'm now leaning towards insulated battery boxes with Peltier coolers. Peltier devices are notoriously inefficient. What about situating your batteries such that air flow from your vehicle travel cools your batteries, possibly aided by ductwork? That is nearly-f

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Ben Goren via EV > > ... are there heat pump systems rather than compressor units that might be > more energy efficient? The compressor-based system in almost all consumer things that reduce temperature *is* a heat pump. The only one that I know of that is different is the "Einstein e

Re: [EVDL] Diesel drivers betrayed as EU cracks down on Britain over air pollution

2014-08-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Folks, This thread was kind of off topic to begin with, and now is WAY off topic. Also, we don't dicuss politics here. Let's let this thread drop, please. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 Aug 2014 at 14:47, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > _should_ I be worried about active cooling for > batteries? And, if so, what're good ways to go about it? I'm pretty weak on lithium; the Li experts here should be able to give you specific heat resistance information. I'm more familiar with le

[EVDL] Diesel drivers betrayed as EU cracks down on Britain over air pollution

2014-08-02 Thread Marc de Piolenc via EV
Ask any marketing guy: slamming the other guy's product doesn't automatically promote your competing one. This unfair measure, assuming it's not defeated in court, will only result in a long-overdue driver revolt in Britain, not in enhanced sales of electrics and hybrids. I smell another big ga

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Jay Summet via EV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anybody mentioned the Echo Drive (by Echo Automotive) yet? It sounds like it is a VERY close fit to what the original poster was looking for. Basically the Echo Drive is a motor that bolts onto the end of the transmission and connects to (a short

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: I've thought about adding insulation for both thermal efficiency and road noise reduction Insulation helps in both of these respects. Cars are *woefully* badly insulated. Insulation has a major effect on how much energy you'll need to heat or cool it. You can run the

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Willie2 via EV wrote: Here is a cautionary tale of conversions and air conditioning... Ouch! It sounds like the guys doing your conversion are learning "on the job". :-( Let's see: Are these the takeaways from your experiences? - Be sure there is sufficient belt wrap (looks like 120 degrees

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
more than what a small heater plus a jacket would take care of. For that matter, no heater at all is probably "good enough," at least initially. Thanks again, everybody, for all your help! b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name:

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
at least initially. Thanks again, everybody, for all your help! b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.ev

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Marion Hakanson via EV
How about getting the air-conditioner from a wrecked Leaf? On our (non-wrecked) 2012 Leaf, the A/C uses hardly any juice as compared to its hot-water electric resistance heating system, which will use either 1500 or 3000 watts, depending on how much you ask it to do. I think the A/C probably

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 Aug 2014 at 6:48, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > I'm now leaning towards insulated battery boxes with Peltier coolers. I don't follow trends in that world, so maybe there've been some dramatic improvements in Peltier device efficiency. However, previous posts here from folks who've worked wit

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 Aug 2014 at 11:52, Willie2 via EV wrote: > I'm eager to hear of conversion air conditioner success stories. Solectria vehicles retained the factory Geo Metro aircon system, and drove the compressor with a small (1hp?) DC brushless motor and controller. The system seems to have been robu

[EVDL] 'Diesel car drivers 'betrayed' as EU cracks down on Britain over air pollution'

2014-08-02 Thread Martin Winlow via EV
This won't hurt EU EV uptake... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/11007326/Diesel-car-drivers-betrayed-as-EU-cracks-down-on-Britain-over-air-pollution.html MW ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinf

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 08/02/2014 09:51 AM, jerry freedomev via EV wrote: Hi Ben and All, Both classicautoair and vintageair make period some even stock A/C units for yours. These are the same car dealers installed on new cars like yours then. Just belt it to the EV motor with t

Re: [EVDL] article: Charging electric cars efficiently inductive

2014-08-02 Thread Peter C. Thompson via EV
Thanks Paul and Martin for the link. As far as I know only Fraunhofer is exploring the vertical pads (aka license plate charging). All others are looking at under the car charging - mainly for EMF/safety reasons. Nice to see such high percentage of efficiency though - 95%! Cheers, Peter On 8

[EVDL] article: Charging electric cars efficiently inductive

2014-08-02 Thread Paul Wujek via EV
An interesting approach to inductive charging: http://phys.org/news/2014-07-electric-cars-efficiently-inductive.html -- *Paul Wujek* about ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cg

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Michael Ross via EV
please use NEDRA ( >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain >> happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? >> *Dalai Lama * >>

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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[EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Peugeot Dealer debunks EV-battery-fade theory

2014-08-02 Thread Zeke Yewdall via EV
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[EVDL] EVLN: An “awoken” EV wasn't stolen, but a pair sunglasses were ...

2014-08-02 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.madisonparktimes.com/Content/News/Top-Stories/Article/POLICE-BLOTTER---August-2014/26/284/29442 POLICE BLOTTER | August 2014 July 30, 2014 The following are selected reports from the Seattle [WA} Police Department. They represent the officers’ accounts of the events described ... WA

[EVDL] EVLN: EPRI seeks 'Request to stop charging' synchronized smart grid

2014-08-02 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://ecomento.com/2014/07/29/energy-companies-to-control-electric-car-charging/ Energy companies to control electric car charging July 29, 2014 – Richard Lane [images http://cdn.ecomento.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/EPRI_FocusElectric_hero.jpg http://cdn.ecomento.com/wp-content/uploads/20

[EVDL] EVLN: OSU's Magic CAN Node micro-controller & data acquisition system

2014-08-02 Thread brucedp5 via EV
Keeps the energy consumption at a low level http://hackaday.com/2014/07/24/custom-can-system-logs-motorcyle-data-like-magic/ Custom CAN System Logs Motorcyle Data like Magic July 24, 2014 By Matt Terndrup [images http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/rw-2x_on_stand_at_trc.jpg RW-2x_o

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk tells Colbert why he released Tesla patents (videos) +more

2014-08-02 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
The videos don't work o/s USA... MW On 1 Aug 2014, at 11:32, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > D'oh! Tesla's Elon Musk to Star in a TV Episode of 'The Simpsons' > > http://earthtechling.com/2014/07/elon-musk-tells-stephen-colbert-why-he-released-tesla-patents/ > Elon Musk Tells Stephen Colbert Why

[EVDL] ' California Agencies Roll Out Red Carpet for Hydrogen Electric Vehicles'

2014-08-02 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 Aug 2014 at 2:03, Dennis Miles via EV wrote: > On the other hand a friend in St Petersburg, FL. uses a 7,500 BTU ac in his > S-10 Pickup (About a 400 watt load) and runs it from a 1,000 Watt 110v. > inverter... I can absolutely believe that. Pickup cabs are typically fairly small. They a

[EVDL] 'Charging electric cars efficiently inductive(sic)'

2014-08-02 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
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