Re: [EVDL] Two EV's to Donate

2017-09-10 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 10 Sep 2017 at 22:16, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

> They are old technology which has no place in the brush less motor
> world of today. 

Yes, but they have an upside: 

You can actually work on them yourself, without having to fight some 
automaker's proprietary security stuff.

If the motor or controller craps out, you can replace it (or them) with 
whatever new unit(s) you want.  Same with the DC:DC, brake vacuum pump, and 
so on.  Same with the battery. You can upgrade or downgrade any component at 
will.  You can get parts from any source, not just the dealer.  You won't 
have the car rejecting some junkyard or generic part you put in because it 
isn't "registered" with the body computer, or whatever.  

There seems to be a large and growing "hacking" (in a good way) community 
devoted to some production EVs, but even those are still much more locked 
down and opaque than any conversion.

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Re: [EVDL] Two EV's to Donate

2017-09-10 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Every dog has it's day.  I think you would be better off to sell. At least then 
the parts will be used in a working project.  If you donate I would be 
surprised if anyone would honor your do not scrap or cannibalize rule. These 
cars are near worthless.  Sorry to say.  I've spent thousands running cars like 
these.  I was lucky to get 3k for my Aspire.  I now have Leafs.  Be happy if 
someone just wants them for parts.  They are old technology which has no place 
in the brush less motor world of today. Not to mention lithium batteries. 
Sincerely, Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] Two EV's to Donate

2017-09-10 Thread John Blair via EV
We are a four EV family now and that is two too many.  We want to donate our 
two EV conversions (we also have a 2013 Rav4-EV and a 2002 Rav4-EV that are our 
main vehicles) to a non-profit organization (we would like the tax deduction).  
We would prefer to donate to a school or school(s) that have an automotive 
program.  Second choice would be to a non-profit that will fix them up and use 
them.  We don’t want them going to an auction house where they would be sold 
for scrap or cannibalized for parts.  We have already done that with our old 
Windstar minivan (our last ICE car).

We had arranged to donate them to a school and did a lot of paperwork for the 
school to accept the donation, but the school never completed the process and 
came to pick them up.  Until about a year ago, we kept them charged and drove 
them a mile or two periodically and maintained while we waited for the school.  
After sitting for a year they undoubtedly will need some TLC.  They both ran 
and we had fixed everything that we knew was wrong (except a slow leak in one 
tire).  The odometer has been fixed in the Saturn. I don't know what the 
current range is. Both have all of the details on EVAlbum: 

http://www.evalbum.com/preview.php?vid=3354 
<http://www.evalbum.com/preview.php?vid=3354>
http://www.evalbum.com/preview.php?vid=3355 
<http://www.evalbum.com/preview.php?vid=3355>
We are about 40 minutes west of Santa Rosa in the redwood forests of Northern 
California.  They will need to be towed with a trailer or a dolly.  They are 
both currently registered with the DMV as EV’s and as non-operated vehicles. If 
you have any questions or are interested, feel free to drop me an email.

 

John Blair

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Re: [EVDL] I wonder where the Clunns are

2017-09-10 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
I've seen 300-350 battery amps routinely from good 6v golf car batteries.  
There's a reason that 1980s converters used 400a controllers in their 96-
120v golf car battery conversions.

If your batteries have been on a "maintainer" for 2 years, there's a good 
chance that they now have significant positive grid corrosion from 
overcharging.  That will cause increased internal resistance and thus lower 
peak power.

Unless you're using them in a standby power system, and maybe not even then, 
batteries in storage are better off being cycled periodically (say every 1-3 
months), not left on float chargers to rot.  The higher their specific 
energy (meaning higher SG electrolyte), the more they suffer from grid 
corrosion.

PS - I wouldn't call most cars or pickups with 16 golf car batteries "lead 
sleds."  To deserve that label, the EV should have something near or over 
50% of its weight in batteries.  

One infamous lead sled example was Robert Aronson's Mars IIs.  They were 
tiny, flyweight Renault R10s converted with 20 (!) batteries.  Some of their 
body seams literally opened up from the battery weight after 8-10 years. Bob 
Rice (RIP), who I'm pretty sure helped build the Mars II cars, described 
them as  "elepants on roller skates."

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Re: [EVDL] I wonder where the Clunns are

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Re: [EVDL] I wonder where the Clunns are

2017-09-10 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
Hi Willy and All,

 I'm 4 miles east  of Tampa Bay, 
close or at ground zero as the track presently is and where the max winds will 
be, the dangerous quadrant .   I'm at 52' and immune to flooding, can't get 
deeper than 2" and only until the downpour keeps up a 4"/hr rate for a while as 
either soak into the sand or run slightly downhill. and as an old Florida boy, 
I know better. 
 But likely over 100mph winds so I 
already signed into a cat 5 shelter and have other options too.
 My place, 63 Vette body, chassis, 
workshops, etc can't though.
 I'm boarded up, packed but will 
wait until things get over 45mph steady then hit the shelter for about 10 hrs, 
and get back once wind go down to 50mph.   
   The Clunns are  in low lying like 
most all of that area in a mandatory evacuation zone I believe the whole county 
is under.   
 I have an old friend living a 
couple miles from them on higher land and he is leaving east.
And close to the coast and good  
possibility can get hit by 100mph+ winds and  the surge  if the present course 
verifies after the storm passes.  Most it'll depend on the forward speed as it 
takes time for the winds to build up the surge but presently say 12-15' in 
their area.  
   And the massive rains that might 
happen can bring the flood from inland.
   All up if it stays at 120mph + just 
offshore putting the most dangerous winds right on the coastal areas most 
densely populated and the most time to make the surge, damage will be extensive 
losing maybe 25% of homes, buildings and literally changing the coastline  .
  Taking out whole islands, losing 
200-500' of coast/beaches  with our most expensive properties is likely if it 
goes as they say.
   The first feeder bands are coming 
through Tampa now but they are mostly just good rain storms. 
  It just hit the Keys with 130mph 
winds so likely will be little left for 40 miles likely taking out the only 
road, US1 for weeks, months even.
Let's hope it speeds up and veers 
west but the just make it bad for others on the upper gulf coast. We'll 
survive but is going to take a lot to put it back together.  I'll do fine as I 
can rebuild fairly fast, low cost if needed, even better. 
 My big worry and interestingly 
protects us is I live in an old oak forest that protects us from winds until 
they fall down, which is the major reason I'm not staying home in the worse 
part in case they do.
All our trees take out the powerlines 
like in Charlie a weaker storm that hot me with 75mph winds and took out put 
with 3 hot miserable days of listening to generators.  Likely it'll be days, 
even a week longer.  Last time I just used my lightweight EV's to supply my 
power and almost ran out just when the power came back on.   I had a set up wit 
7-11 to recharge my EVs I normally used for extending my 40 mile range but 
didn't need it.
 Now I have solar, batteries so no 
problem for me. 
 Going to be an interesting 24 hours.  

Jerry Dycus
  



On Sun, 9/10/17, Willie via EV  wrote:

 Subject: [EVDL] I wonder where the Clunns are
 To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
 Cc: "Willie" 
 Date: Sunday, September 10, 2017, 8:00 AM
 
 I've heard Crystal River is under an
 evacuation order.  Even though most 
 houses in the area are on the ground,
 the Clunn house is on stilts. 
 They may have decided to stick it out.
 
 In what part of the state does Jerry
 Dycus live?
 
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[EVDL] I wonder where the Clunns are

2017-09-10 Thread Willie via EV
I've heard Crystal River is under an evacuation order.  Even though most 
houses in the area are on the ground, the Clunn house is on stilts. 
They may have decided to stick it out.


In what part of the state does Jerry Dycus live?

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Re: [EVDL] Slow due to 96V pack?

2017-09-10 Thread Jay Summet via EV



On 09/09/2017 10:14 PM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:


I'm betting he has a Z1K LV - so that will limit how hi a voltage we can switch 
to when we switch to Lithium.
(also dealing with it having 2, 10A 48V chargers - one of which is dead, so you 
have to switch the other charger back and forth between pack halves.  sigh.)
This guy can't afford a bunch of upgrades immediately though.



I have a Curtis 1231c, so I had to keep my pack voltage at 120-130 volts 
when upgrading to lithium. I had to re-arrange my Leaf pack to put every 
3 modules in parallel reducing the voltage to 131.2 fully charged.


If you can fit an extra 4 GC batteries into the truck somewhere (mine 
had them under the hood up front) to raise your pack voltage to 120v 
nominal I can sell you my old Lead Acid chargers (Zivan for 240v  & 
Quick Charge for 110v) very cheaply


Jay
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Re: [EVDL] Slow due to 96V pack?

2017-09-10 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
Hi John and All,
Since they haven't been worked they 
are going to need at least 5 cycles to waken up and likely 10 cycles to get to 
their real 
potential.
 Jerry Dycus



On Sat, 9/9/17, John Lussmyer via EV  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Slow due to 96V pack?
 To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
 Cc: "John Lussmyer" 
 Date: Saturday, September 9, 2017, 10:14 PM
 
 On Fri Sep 08 21:57:43 PDT 2017
 ev@lists.evdl.org
 said:
 >There is both a battery low
 voltage limit and a motor high voltage limit.
 >There is also a motor current limit and a
 battery current limit.
 >
 >You need to set all four to the appropriate
 values.
 
 yes, I know.  Just
 forgot to list those Motor values as they are set to be
 irrelevant.
 1000A and 150V.
 And I was reporting Battery Amps of course.
 
 I'm pretty sure now that
 it's just too low a voltage pack.  200 Batt amps was
 the max I could pull.
 The GC batts are
 basically unused - but are a couple years old, and have had
 battery maintainers connected for that time.
 
 I'm betting he has a Z1K
 LV - so that will limit how hi a voltage we can switch to
 when we switch to Lithium.
 (also dealing
 with it having 2, 10A 48V chargers - one of which is dead,
 so you have to switch the other charger back and forth
 between pack halves.  sigh.)
 This guy
 can't afford a bunch of upgrades immediately though.
 
 
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20170908

2017-09-10 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Ampera-e-misses-5star-gets-4star-rating-eu-missing-rear-seat-belt-reminder-v-tp4687894.html
EVLN: Ampera-e misses 5star gets 4star rating.eu > missing rear seat belt
reminder (v)
Opel Ampera-E Falls Short Of Top Euro NCAP Crash Rating
The all-electric vehicle performed relatively well in most of the
categories, but the NCAP organization points out it has no seatbelt reminder
for the rear seats ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-2018-Leaf-gen2-billed-as-the-world-s-most-advanced-mass-market-EV-v-tp4687893.html
EVLN: 2018 Leaf-gen2 billed as 'the world’s most advanced mass-market EV'
(v)
2018 Nissan Leaf – second-gen EV with 400 km range
Here it is, the all-new 2018 Nissan Leaf. The second-generation Leaf is
being billed as “the world's most advanced mass-market electric vehicle” ...
Nissan adds range to cheaper Leaf ... displayed after the world premiere in
Chiba, near Tokyo.jp ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-14-2k-Kangoo-Van-ZE-33-EV-price-and-improved-range-r-124mi-tp4687892.html
EVLN: £14.2k Kangoo Van ZE 33 EV> price and improved range r:124mi
Renault announces price and improved range on Kangoo Van ZE 33
ZE-specific equipment available on the New Kangoo Van ZE 33 range includes
ZE Voice – alerting pedestrians of an electric vehicle in the vicinity ...




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[EVDL] EVLN: Ampera-e misses 5star gets 4star rating.eu > missing rear seat belt reminder (v)

2017-09-10 Thread brucedp5 via EV


https://www.motor1.com/news/179428/opel-ampera-e-euro-ncap/
Opel Ampera-E Falls Short Of Top Euro NCAP Crash Rating
Sep 07, 2017  Anthony Karr

[images  / Euro NCAP
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September 2017 EuroNCAP test

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video
https://youtu.be/ulbeSJSDQhs
Euro NCAP Crash Test of Opel Vauxhall Ampera-e
]

Six other models join the five-star club.

The all-new Opel Ampera-e could be considered one of the biggest
disappointments from Euro NCAP’s latest batch of tested vehicles. Six cars
were awarder five stars, but the German brother of the Chevrolet Bolt got
only four.

The all-electric vehicle performed relatively well in most of the
categories, but the organization points out it has no seatbelt reminder for
the rear seats. While this might sound like a minor issue, General Secretary
of Euro NCAP Michiel van Ratingen says “we know how effective these
reminders are at promoting seatbelt use, so this is clearly a big step
backwards on Opel’s part.” It’s a trend the German manufacturer set with the
new Insignia which offered rear seatbelt reminders only as an option.

On the positive side, the Ampera-e is praised for its autonomous emergency
braking system, which performed well in tests of its highway-speed
functionality, with collisions avoided or mitigated in all test scenarios.

The Ford Fiesta, Jeep Compass, Mazda CX-5, Mercedes-Benz C-Class Cabriolet,
Opel Grandland X, and Renault Koleos all received five stars. The Fiesta
becomes only the second supermini to join the five-star club this year,
following the excellent results from the new SEAT Ibiza. Kia’s Picanto and
Rio received three stars with the standard equipment, but were rated as four
and five stars respectively when tested with the optional safety packs.

Euro NCAP was not particularly happy by the apparent lack of restraint
robustness in side impact testing by some of the models. In the Jeep
Compass, for example, dummy readings indicated injury risk values above the
limit to qualify for points in the pole test, while in the Mercedes C-Class
Cabriolet, during the side barrier test, the side airbag did not fully cover
the impact area.

“Euro NCAP is pushing for the fitment of advanced technologies and
manufacturers have responded well, with AEB now commonplace on most new
cars,” Ratingen added. “However, they should not forget the basics of
occupant protection in case of a crash.”
[© motor1.com]



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2017 Opel Ampera-e Fails To Score Top Safety Rating In Euro NCAP Crash Test
7 Sep 2017 ... the Opel (and Vauxhall) Ampera-e is nothing more than a 2017
Chevrolet Bolt with different badges ... You would expect such a
sought-after electric vehicle to be on par with Tesla as far as safety is
concerned, but the safety watchdogs at Euro NCAP beg to differ. ...
https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news-pictures-600x/2017-opel-ampera-e-fails-to-score-top-safety-rating-in-euro-ncap-crash-test-120249-7.jpg
...
http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2017/sep/0906-bolt-ev.html
2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV Now Available Nationwide
2017/sep/06 - Chevrolet announced today that the Bolt EV, the first
affordable long-range electric car, is now available by order or in stock at
certified ...
Some estimates that combine all electric vehicle sales have monthly sales
totals in ... Designed for extrusion-based crash-management systems,
body-in-white ...
...
https://qtelegram.com/the-electric-opel-ampera-e-2017-has-only-collected-4-stars-in-the-crash-tests-of-euro-ncap/10519
The electric Opel Ampera-e (2017) has only collected 4 stars in the crash
tests of Euro NCAP September 7, 2017  The electric Opel Ampera-e (2017) has
only collected 4 stars in the crash tests of Euro NCAP … Despite good
overall results (82% for adult safety, 73% for children, 75% for pedestrians
and 72% for safety systems), the Opel Ampera-e (2017) has received 4-star
crash tests from independent body Euro NCAP ...




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[EVDL] EVLN: 2018 Leaf-gen2 billed as 'the world’s most advanced mass-market EV' (v)

2017-09-10 Thread brucedp5 via EV


https://paultan.org/2017/09/06/2018-nissan-leaf-second-gen-ev-with-400-km-range/
2018 Nissan Leaf – second-gen EV with 400 km range
6 September 2017  Danny Tan

[images  
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2018 Nissan Leaf makes North American debut

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video
https://youtu.be/f2SA1CtCUfA
Introducing the New Nissan LEAF, the icon of Nissan Intelligent Mobility 
3:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2SA1CtCUfA
2017/09/06 - Uploaded by Nissan
Nissan today introduced the new Nissan LEAF, the next evolution of its
zero-emission electric vehicle. The ...
]

Here it is, the all-new 2018 Nissan Leaf. The second-generation Leaf is
being billed as “the world’s most advanced mass-market electric vehicle” and
an icon of the company’s Intelligent Mobility vision. In case you didn’t
know, Teslas aren’t mass market and the Leaf was a pioneer and major gamble
on Nissan’s part back in 2010 when electric cars weren’t in vogue.

The new Leaf combines a greater range with a dynamic new design and fresh
technologies. At the heart of it is the Leaf’s e-powertrain that offers
improved energy efficiency and increased power and torque output, which now
stand at 110 kW (148 hp) and 320 Nm. That’s an improvement of 38% and 26%,
respectively.

Powering the EM57 e-motor is a 40 kWh lithium-ion battery pack. In 2016, the
original Leaf received a battery upgrade from 24 to 30 kWh, so this is a big
step forward while maintaining battery pack dimensions. Compared to the
original 2010 Leaf, the battery here has 67% better energy density. The
enhanced electrode materials with revised chemistry, besides contributing to
power density, also improves durability upon charge and discharge.

However, the Chevrolet Bolt has a 60 kWh battery, while the Tesla Model 3 is
said to have a battery with energy capacity of up to 80 kWh.

The Leaf’s 40 kWh battery is good for a driving range of 400 km in Japan’s
cycle and 378 km in the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) on a single
charge. In the US, the EV’s projected EPA range is 241 km (150 miles).
Nissan says that it will introduce a “high-power version” of the Leaf with
increased motor power and battery capacity at the end of 2018. This version
will provide a longer range, at a higher price, of course.

As for charging time, Nissan quotes eight hours pulling from a 6 kW source,
and double that time from a 3 kW source. There’s also quick charging up to
80% that takes 40 minutes via the CHAdeMO charging socket. The max AC charge
rate is 6.6 kW, or 50 kW with DC quick charge.

In countries where vehicle-to-home systems exist, the battery makes it
possible to store surplus solar power during the day and then use it to help
power the home in the evening. One can also recharge the battery in the
middle of the night, when prices are lowest in some markets, and then use
the electricity during the day to reduce energy costs. In places with
vehicle-to-grid systems, Leaf owners can get incentives from energy
companies to improve power grid stability by absorbing demand fluctuation.

To match the improved output, Nissan enhanced the car’s chassis for better
stability. Heavy components including the battery are placed in the centre
of the body, helping achieve smaller yaw moments of inertia compared with
vehicles with an engine in front.

Nissan says that the new Leaf’s EPS has a more linear feel and improved
feedback from the road surface. Also, the urethane bump stop for the rear
suspension has been replaced by a rubber one for a smoother ride. The
Intelligent Ride Control software manages torque generation when cornering,
to reduce vibration and improve ride quality.

EVs are quiet things, but the lack of an engine makes wind noise obvious.
Nissan says that aerodynamic upgrades (reduced drag and zero lift, Cd 0.28)
and exterior refinements have led to a reduction in wind noise in the new
Leaf. Other noise-reduction measures include optimisation of the redesigned
inverter’s structural rigidity, and a noise-isolating cover on top of the
power delivery module. The noise from the e-motor itself has also been
reduced.

Nissan is very proud of its “Intelligent Driving” technology in the new
Leaf, headlined by ProPILOT, ProPILOT Park and the e-Pedal.

ProPILOT is a single-lane autonomous driving tech. Once activated, the Leaf
can automatically control the distance to the vehicle in front using a speed
preset by the driver (between 30 km/h and 100 km/h), while steering and
keeping itself centered in its lane. It does braking to a complete stop too,
remaining there till without the driver’s foot on the brakes. 

[EVDL] EVLN: £14.2k Kangoo Van ZE 33 EV> price and improved range r:124mi

2017-09-10 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.am-online.com/news/manufacturer/2017/09/04/renault-announces-price-and-improved-range-on-renault-kangoo-van-ze-33
Renault announces price and improved range on Kangoo Van ZE 33
04/09/2017   Elizabeth Howlett

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Renault Kangoo ZE 33
]

Renault has announced pricing and specification for the new fully-electric
Kangoo Van ZE 33, including a range of up to 170 miles on a single charge.

Four variants of the LCV, which now offers a real-world range estimated to
be 124 miles, a now available, priced from £14,194.67 (after Plug-in Van
Grant, excluding VAT).

The new Kangoo Van ZE 33 remains available to purchase with a monthly
battery lease agreement or outright with no battery lease agreement.

Lease prices start at £49 for up to 4,500 annual miles and increase to £81
for up to £10,500.

An upgraded charger allows a full charge to be completed in six hours, while
a one hour top-up will provide an extra 21 miles.

Available in Business trim level, the Kangoo Van ZE 33 range retains its
broad specification, with DAB radio, full steel bulkhead (not available on
crew vans), electrically operated door mirrors, electric front windows,
dashboard with A4 storage, cloth upholstery, load area lighting, central
storage tray between front seats, height adjustable steering wheel and
driver’s seat, six anchorage points in load area (Kangoo Van, Kangoo ZE and
Kangoo Maxi Crew Van) and 14 load anchorage points in loading area (Kangoo
Maxi Van and Kangoo Maxi ZE).

ZE-specific equipment available on the New Kangoo Van ZE 33 range includes
ZE Voice – alerting pedestrians of an electric vehicle in the vicinity – and
a pre-heating function enabling passengers to heat the vehicle up before
driving it, especially helpful on winter mornings.

The New Kangoo Maxi Crew Van ZE 33 and Kangoo Maxi Crew Van Cab ZE 33 add a
second row of two passenger seats and a folding passenger rear seat allowing
further load space as needed.

The Kangoo Maxi Crew Van Cab ZE 33 also adds a multipositional bulk head
keeping loads in the rear secure and the driver and passengers safe.

Options for the New Kangoo Van ZE 33 range include rear parking sensors,
body coloured front bumper and the Renault R-LINK infotainment and
Navigation system.
[© 2017 Bauer Consumer Media]




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