Re: [EVDL] Another recommendation for a drive way protection circuit....

[Mike Scott via EV]

Mine is behind the license plate and uses a standard door/window switch
from an old store alarm system. Just a magnet on the plate and a reed relay
that switches when the plate is latched closed. Reed relay grounds the
interlock relay, while the key switch supplies 12V to the other side of
it's coil.

I do like the slide to the side plate, I may have to think about doing that.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:59 AM, Paul Compton via EV 
wrote:

> The Skoda Elmo pickup had a simple system.
>
> The charge cable was captive to the vehicle and stored in a
> compartment behind what was the grill. A socket was fitted in the
> compartment and plugging the cable in completed a circuit via the
> earth pin that operated an interlock relay. This also meant that the
> integrity of the earth connection in the charging cable was verified
> every time the vehicle was driven.
>
> On 11 January 2018 at 06:31, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
> > Peter C. Thompson via EV wrote:
> >>
> >> I've driven off with cars that have battery tenders installed and plugs
> >> not visible.  Bad scene.
> >
> >
> > I've always arranged my charging connector so if/when I drive off, it
> simply
> > unplugs itself. No damage done.
> >
> > I almost always use 120vac charging. The charger is in the car. Arcing is
> > only a minor issue with AC; arcs automatically extinguish 120 times a
> second
> > (at every zero-crossing). Since virtually every appliance every consumer
> > owns works like this, AC receptacles are designed to tolerate occasional
> > arcing if someone plugs or unplugs something "live".
> >
> > For instance, my LeCar EV has its charging connector on the front
> grille. I
> > drive into the garage nose-first, because that's where the charger is.
> The
> > door to the house is on the right, so I have to walk in front of the car
> > anyway to get in or out. That makes it easy and almost automatic to plug
> it
> > in when I arrive home, or unplug it when I leave. Even if I forget, it
> just
> > unplugs itself as I back out.
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[EVDL] Need Help with DMOC-224 and AC-24

[Mike Scott via EV]

Specifically, the interface/filter board mounted between the motor sensors
and the controller. Close examination showed that smoke got out of (at
least) one of the IC's, and it is now unidentifiable. I think I've found
one of the reasons for the lack of RPM last time I tried running this setup.

So Schematic, Parts List?

I already have the wiring diagram that details the connections in and out
of the board.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: [EVDL] Bolt seat comfort solution and gauge accuracy

[Mike Scott via EV]

My experience driving my wife's Bolt: uncomfortable at first. She
immediately complained about the side bolster being too high on the
standard cloth seats. Internet rescue was an additional 2 inches of foam
inserted under the seat cover. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dgxWTOnVn8
Followed the directions and all are happy now.

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV 
wrote:

> I've never heard anyone complain about the Bolt seats. Everyone that I
> know that has one, or has driven one likes it.
>
> Are you a large person?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV 
> wrote:
> >
> > I took my second test drive in a Bolt.  The seat was chaffing my ribs
> first
> > time out so this time I folded up a small comforter and it was enough to
> > keep my ribs from chaffing.  It also was not thick enough to push me
> > forward so I felt like I was falling off the front seat.
> >
> > My main concern was the accuracy of the energy usage readings.  I took a
> > picture of the main energy usage screen with its bars of energy usage
> > displayed for every 5 miles of travel.  I measured their height to
> > determine mi/kwh.
> >
> > In a 45 MPH zone with one red stop light encountered at the bottom of the
> > first two legs, the bars registered 3.2 and 3.6 mi/kwh.  Terrain varied
> > from 267' to 302'.  Out on the interstate, I used between 3.6 and 4.67
> > mi/kwh and drove between 55 and 70 mph.  3.6 going up hill in the 45 mph
> > zone oand onto the interstate.  4.25 trying to maintain 70 mph.  4.67
> while
> > trying to maintain 55 to 60 mph.  Traffic flow did not allow me to set
> the
> > cruise.
> >
> > While all this is subjective, the higher mi/kwh readings occurred at the
> > higher speeds.  This made me wonder what the experiences of Bolt owners
> are
> > with respect to what the main display energy usage display shows.
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Re: [EVDL] Solar powered RV

[Mike Scott via EV]

I did include a 120V charger. Well, a 40A @ 13.5VDC power supply I had on
hand. Have only used it for testing last winter when the kitchen was being
remodeled.

Came in handy having a refrigerator, sink, microwave and lights for a few
weeks. Rainy days did see my battery droop with constant usage at night, so
I'm glad I had the backup in place. Normal use pattern is summer though,
and the solar keeps up fairly well when there's sun.

Hmm, the microwave runs off a 1200W inverter, I wonder if it could handle
an EVSE set to 6A? Might be able to charge enough to drive around the block
every other day.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> wrote:

> Why not grid tie it all, and then simply charge the batterys from a
> battery chrager also plugged into 120v.
> Bob
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mike Scott via EV
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:27 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: Mike Scott
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar powered RV
>
> My little trailer has 800W on the roof and is grid tied while it's in the
> driveway. I went with this inverter due to the size of the array:
> https://amazon.com/gp/product/B00XJCVC44/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=U
> TF8=1
>
> I got tired of unscrewing wires from the big terminal strips (12-32
> screws, who did that??) so I could adjust for different amounts of sun
> when keeping the lead-acid batteries topped up. Now I have a bank of DPST
> switches from the auto parts store so each panel can go the the charge
> controller or to the grid tie inverter. I'd sure like to find a circuit to
> selectively switch the panels over based on battery voltage... In
> summertime a 50W panel will fill the batts each day after I heat my coffee
> in the microwave.
> That's a second inverter that just takes 12V and makes 120VAC for the
> microwave. Had to use my EV battery cable making skills for the 1 or 2 AWG
> wires feeding that!
>
> Stand alone the loads are the microwave and refrigerator (10A almost
> continuously), plus LED lights, radio and a few fans, one of which is in
> the refrigerator vent and another is in the roof vent. Both those fans
> will come on if it gets too hot and on hot days it took about 100W to keep
> the batts up. Still hit 100 degrees inside. Time for new screens...
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
>
> > > Solar RV.
> > > I saw this and realized our solar future is very close.
> > https://www.curbed.com/2017/9/1/16241030/electric-rv-
> > motorhome-dethleffs-camper Lawrence Rhodes
> >
> > It brags of 3 kW of solar arrays, but that is on all sides.  Only one
> > side will see sun so the max power is about 1 kW max.  And the panels
> > on the door and openable panels are not real, since the edges do not
> > even include complete cells.
> >
> > Also I question the logic of cells on the bottom of the front
> > overhang.  A lot of hype  but is the future.
> >
> > ANYTHING that sits in the sun allday should have solar panels on it.
> > Grid tie while sitting int he driveway and battery when camping.
> >
> >
> > I just bought a grid-tie inverter designed for 12v solar panels for
> > $67 bucks.  But it is only good for 12v panels (Peak voltage of 28v
> > max).  They did not say that in the add, just called it a 300W GT
> > inevrter.  So I had to order another one that was 20-60 VDC that is
> > good for the more common home solar panels.
> >
> > Bob
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Re: [EVDL] Solar powered RV

[Mike Scott via EV]

My little trailer has 800W on the roof and is grid tied while it's in the
driveway. I went with this inverter due to the size of the array:
https://amazon.com/gp/product/B00XJCVC44/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1

I got tired of unscrewing wires from the big terminal strips (12-32 screws,
who did that??) so I could adjust for different amounts of sun when keeping
the lead-acid batteries topped up. Now I have a bank of DPST switches from
the auto parts store so each panel can go the the charge controller or to
the grid tie inverter. I'd sure like to find a circuit to selectively
switch the panels over based on battery voltage... In summertime a 50W
panel will fill the batts each day after I heat my coffee in the microwave.
That's a second inverter that just takes 12V and makes 120VAC for the
microwave. Had to use my EV battery cable making skills for the 1 or 2 AWG
wires feeding that!

Stand alone the loads are the microwave and refrigerator (10A almost
continuously), plus LED lights, radio and a few fans, one of which is in
the refrigerator vent and another is in the roof vent. Both those fans will
come on if it gets too hot and on hot days it took about 100W to keep the
batts up. Still hit 100 degrees inside. Time for new screens...

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV 
wrote:

> > Solar RV.
> > I saw this and realized our solar future is very close.
> https://www.curbed.com/2017/9/1/16241030/electric-rv-
> motorhome-dethleffs-camper Lawrence Rhodes
>
> It brags of 3 kW of solar arrays, but that is on all sides.  Only one side
> will see sun so the max power is about 1 kW max.  And the panels on the
> door and openable panels are not real, since the edges do not even include
> complete cells.
>
> Also I question the logic of cells on the bottom of the front overhang.  A
> lot of hype  but is the future.
>
> ANYTHING that sits in the sun allday should have solar panels on it.  Grid
> tie while sitting int he driveway and battery when camping.
>
>
> I just bought a grid-tie inverter designed for 12v solar panels for $67
> bucks.  But it is only good for 12v panels (Peak voltage of 28v max).  They
> did not say that in the add, just called it a 300W GT inevrter.  So I had
> to order another one that was 20-60 VDC that is good for the more common
> home solar panels.
>
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Re: [EVDL] JDL404 AH Meter power draw?

[Mike Scott via EV]

Here's a decent small panel that i use:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B013DZWDI0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8=1

Note the use of standard MC4 connectors, using heavy gauge wire, not the
24ga that the HF panels use.
This puts out an honest 2.5A and it's very thin, slightly flexible ad less
than 2' square.

I also bouught a cheaper one:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B071ZB9G2X/ref=psdc_2236628011_t2_B013DZWDI0

I have not compared them yet, this one seems a tiny bit less, finish wise.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Mike Scott  wrote:

> Agree, those panels are very optimistically rated. I have 10 of them wired
> to a small grid-tie inverter, and while I don't know the efficiency of the
> inverter, I would assume that "150 Watts" worth of panels should be
> producing a bit more than 50-60 Watts in full sun...
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Lee Hart via EV 
> wrote:
>
>> From: paul dove via EV 
>> >What is the wattage on that Lee. I calculate 3Watts. 0.25 X 12 V = 3 W
>> >Harbor freight sells a 15 watt panel.
>> >15 Watt Solar Panel
>>
>> I don't recall what wattage was claimed. But many of these panels will do
>> things like advertise the short-circuit current, and open-circuit voltage,
>> and multiply them together to get the claimed wattage.
>>
>> That's completely bogus. First, it assume perfect full sun, at the
>> optimum angle, and a low ambient temperature. Second, you can't even get
>> half the short-circuit current into a real load. Third, the voltage under
>> load is substantially less than the no-load voltage.
>>
>> The more honest vendors will provide a voltage, current, and wattage
>> under realistic conditions, driving an actual load.
>>
>> Even then, you have to consider how you will actually use the panel. In
>> my case, the PV panel sits horizontally, on the shelf under my car's back
>> window. Thus it is never at the optimum angle, the glass reduces the light
>> intensity, and the temperature inside the car is always hotter than ambient.
>>
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Re: [EVDL] JDL404 AH Meter power draw?

[Mike Scott via EV]

Agree, those panels are very optimistically rated. I have 10 of them wired
to a small grid-tie inverter, and while I don't know the efficiency of the
inverter, I would assume that "150 Watts" worth of panels should be
producing a bit more than 50-60 Watts in full sun...

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

> From: paul dove via EV 
> >What is the wattage on that Lee. I calculate 3Watts. 0.25 X 12 V = 3 W
> >Harbor freight sells a 15 watt panel.
> >15 Watt Solar Panel
>
> I don't recall what wattage was claimed. But many of these panels will do
> things like advertise the short-circuit current, and open-circuit voltage,
> and multiply them together to get the claimed wattage.
>
> That's completely bogus. First, it assume perfect full sun, at the optimum
> angle, and a low ambient temperature. Second, you can't even get half the
> short-circuit current into a real load. Third, the voltage under load is
> substantially less than the no-load voltage.
>
> The more honest vendors will provide a voltage, current, and wattage under
> realistic conditions, driving an actual load.
>
> Even then, you have to consider how you will actually use the panel. In my
> case, the PV panel sits horizontally, on the shelf under my car's back
> window. Thus it is never at the optimum angle, the glass reduces the light
> intensity, and the temperature inside the car is always hotter than ambient.
>
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Re: [EVDL] JDL404 AH Meter power draw?

[Mike Scott via EV]

A small solar panel could supply that 300 mA easily with hardly any work at
all...

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 7:48 PM, John Lussmyer via EV 
wrote:

> On Sun Jul 09 19:09:58 PDT 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
> >If John is running it at 12 volts, it would be 2 watts / 12 volts or
> >0.16 amps (160 mA).
>
> I'm mainly trying to figure out if I should move the JLD404 to the
> separate DC-DC that I'm now using to power the Zilla, BMS, and ZillaDash
> computer.  That provides 12V off the main pack instead of the 12V battery.
> (I've gotten tired of the 12V battery going dead.)
>
> I'm now seeing about a 300ma draw on the 12V battery when the truck is
> parked.  With the calculations above, the JLD404 is probably drawing about
> 1/2 of that.
> I'll probably move it to the "EV Systems" DC-DC as well.  (it's a fair
> amount of work to do so, as I have to open the dashboard.)
>
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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Lithium-Ion Battery Inventor Ups Ante With Advanced Solid-State Rechargeable

[Mike Scott via EV]

This caught my eye:

"Ronald Reagan moves into
the White House and immediately has the Carter PV panels ripped off its
roof)."

Jimmie Carter installed 32 thermal panels that provided hot water for the
cafeteria, not electricity. Also, various accounts place the removal in
1986 before required roof repairs, after which they were not replaced. Half
of the actual panels are now at Maine's Unity College, the other half are
being donated to various institutions, such as The Smithsonian, The Carter
Library and, of all things, the Solar Science and Technology Museum in
Dezhou, China.

The first PV panels on the White House grounds were installed by the Park
Service while GW Bush was out of town. They are still there. (The reported
10KW utilizing 167 panels sounds off though.)

President Obama installed 6.3 KW of PV on the actual White House.

Here are some sources for part of this:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carter-white-house-solar-panel-array/
https://understandsolar.com/white-house-solar-panels/

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

> Paul Dove via EV wrote:
>
>> Many researchers have been attempting this. MIT claims 100% increase in
>> capacity.
>>
>
> It might help to put this in the perspective of research scientists. They
> look at some pair of reactants that look promising for a battery. They can
> calculate the voltage that would be produced. They can calculate how many
> electrons will be stored and released per atom. They know the atomic weight
> of the reactants, and so can figure out the theoretical watthour capacity
> and watts per kilogram.
>
> So they make a few laboratory tests, on a very small scale. Holy cow! It's
> twice as good as any existing battery! Call the patent attorneys!
>
> But... you haven't taken into account the current-carrying conductors to
> bring the power out. Or the separator, that has to keep the reactants apart
> (or your battery would be a short circuited). Or the packaging. All these
> add considerably to the size and weight.
>
> Then, how are you going to make it? And what will it cost? Things you can
> do in the laboratory by hand can be damnably difficult to scale up.
>
> These are the reasons why no real battery ever comes anywhere close to
> providing its theoretical yield.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf onboard tire repair kit.

[Mike Scott via EV]

The problem with any sticky substance introduced into a tire is that it
must go through the tiny inlet valve. That means it has to be thin enough
to get through the tiny hole with minimal pressure to force it in. The main
difference between a standard Shrader valve and one with a TPMS sensor
attached, is that there is usually a 90 degree bend in the tube, at least
in my experience.

I tried to use the standard Slime product on a tire with TPMS, not knowing
there was a newer, thinner version. It clogged up and air would neither go
in, nor come out! My tire store was able to simply run a small rod/nail
through the thing after removing the tire and the Schrader valve. I imagine
the goo must be a similar consistency to the newer, thinner Slime stuff
just in order to get in through the bend past the valve. What it turns into
after that is unknown to me, but aside from clogging the valve, I don't see
how any sort of goo could cause the sensor to fail, unless it also clogs
the pressure port on the sensor housing.
My guess, is that a good cleaning would cure even that, but the tire stores
just want to sell new ones...

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Cal Frye via EV  wrote:

> I did see the other day a container of "Slime" intended for fixing flats
> that boldly claimed it was "safe for tire pressure sensors." YMMV
>
> My 2015 did come with the flat kit, but I bought it used from the local
> Nissan dealer. If I could put in another half a battery pack, it would be
> perfect for my needs ;-)
>
>
>  Cal Frye
>
> Oberlin, OH 44074
>
>
> "War is fought over land that does not care, and issues that are
> forgotten. --Robert F. Kaufmann.
>
>
>
>
> Cor van de Water via EV 
>> April 20, 2017 at 7:37 PM
>> Lawrence,
>> That depends
>> I have heard (but never experienced) that is it expensive to replace the
>> kit.
>> Of all Leafs that I have had/seen, only one still had the kit, I do not
>> know where
>> The kit went on the other ones (all were used cars, private purchase)
>>
>> If you have roadside assistance, you can get a "free" tow home whereas
>> replacing the kit is expensive
>> And I think it also ruins the TPMS in the wheel, so you will need not
>> only to fix the tire, but also get a new TPMS,
>> Now the costs really start to add up for that little convenience, instead
>> of waiting for the tow truck
>>
>> To further open up my options, I managed to find someone selling a
>> complete wheel.
>> The tire is pretty worn and old, but it is perfect as a spare wheel,
>> sitting in my garage.
>> If I get a flat, I can either arrange to bring the wheel to the car or
>> the car to the wheel
>> Before I have to take the damaged tire to the shop (or patch it myself as
>> I have done a couple times now)
>>
>> Hope this gives some perspective,
>> Cor.
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Re: [EVDL] J1772. Solder or crimp?

[Mike Scott via EV]

I went by the store a couple of days ago and they gave me a Mother's day
flyer with a 25% off coupon. It's only good for next weekend.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Cor van de Water via EV 
wrote:

> Bill,
> Thanks - I am planning to convert my Lead-Acid pack to Li later this
> year
> as it has been deteriorating after 16,500 miles and 4 years of almost
> daily commute, so I probably will need to make new cables for that
> conversion.
> I printed your coupon and noticed that it is valid till end this week,
> then I came home and found the weekly junk mail stash in the mailbox -
> but the back page caught my eye: Harbor Freight ads and a 20% off
> coupon,
> only the paper coupon is valid till July!
> Probably that the digital coupon will get renewed every week or so, but
> it was a nice coincidence to get both at the same day!
>
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>
> Harbor Freight sells an outstanding hydraulic crimper at a bargain
> price:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraulic-wire-crimping-tool-66150.html
> For $55  there is no reason to use a hammer crimper.
>
> I have used the next size up from this one, made by the same
> manufacturer, for about ten years. I have made countless crimps with
> zero failures. Beautiful crimps of all different sizes with little
> effort.
>
> Here is a 20% off coupon, so you can get a crimper for $44:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digitalsavings.html
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Re: [EVDL] EVangel-About: e-Dr. seeks larger/family EV bigger than a bread box

[Mike Scott via EV]

My Docs all have email. Be sure to tell him about the World Record
attempt...


On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:37 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:



 On Wed. I had a couple of VA appointments which are moving me closer to my
 thyroid surgery I hope to arrange to have happen after the Silicon Valley
 EAA Chapter EVent
 http://eaasv.org

 While I doing my usual EVangel shtick of mentioning my efforts to promote
 EVs, I do not always get a taker on the topic. But I did that day.

 It turns out the Leaf EV I saw parked in the EV parking lot, that I pointed
 out to passerby's ('Hey, look it is an electric car) was owned by the Dr. I
 had an appointment with that day.

 I found out the Dr.'s Leaf EV lease will be ending soon, and while he likes
 his Leaf, it is not as good a fit as he would want. He mentioned his
 interest in the Kia EV
 http://www.kia.com/us/en/vehicle/soul-ev/2015/experience
  But that is coming and not available right now.

 After some off the cuff discussion, he wants an EV with more room for his
 passengers and medium sized dog (something larger than a Leaf). He likes to
 drive from the SF Peninsula over the Santa Cruz Mountains to the Pacific
 coast and enjoy Half Moon bay (he likes to let his dog enjoy the beaches).

 But he mentioned that he has range angst when going up to the city (SF).
 After some discussion of what EVs are available, I was able to gather how
 much experience he has with charging (this is usually a
 newbie/inexperienced
 mistake: to gather info on all the EVs out there rather than first looking
 at what their real driving needs are, and what things they need to learn
 more about).

 I asked if he had used the level-3 charging his Leaf has. He said no he
 only
 charges at home off 240VAC. He also did not know of plugshare.com (which
 shows all chargers, unlike charger brand specific sites/apps that only show
 their brand).

 While I was enjoying the EV conversation, he was aware of the time he was
 using to yak EVs, and kept apologizing for using that time. I could see I
 wasn't going to be given the time it took to inform him of the plugshare
 app
 (he is into apps) that would help him learn of all the public charging
 (EVSE) out there

 http://www.plugshare.com/?latitude=37.775024longitude=-122.419416spanLat=1.361179spanLng=2.644958
  So, instead, I encouraged him to come to the Silicon Valley EAA EVent on
 the 3rd Sat of Sept. but it did not cause an interest reaction.

 When I mentioned that all the spots in the EVent visitor parking lot had
 already been paid for by the EAA Chapter, and that the Chapter would be
 paying for the EV charging at the EVent held at De Anza
 http://goo.gl/maps/SgB8iCollege, that got a little more attention.

 However, at the end of my appointment with one more last effort to remind
 him of the EVent (people today are pre-programmed to hear things three
 times
 before they will remember), it came clear that the EV he is leasing is of
 the lower cost trims that only has the half-powered 3kW on-board level-2
 (L2) charger.

 I knew this after I had told him that the Leaf EV could charge off 240VAC
 in
 only 3 hours. That peaked his attention as a fact he did not know (yup, the
 dealership leased him a Leaf with the cheaper on-board charger, and did not
 give all the facts he really needed to know). To bad I wasn't given the
 time, I really could have helped that Leaf driving Dr.


 Afterward that got me thinking of what EV he could transition to that would
 have more room and would offer L3 for the times he occasionally wants to go
 farther.

 The Dr. said he was not interested in a Tesla-X
 http://www.plugincars.com/tesla-model-x
 as it was too expensive as well as not that much bigger

 The Dr. had mentioned other EVs like what he had heard of (VW
 http://recombu.com/cars/reviews/vw-e-golf-review

 http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-vw-e-golf-20140530-story.html
  , Audi
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_e-tron#A3_e-tron
  , etc.
 http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/class/class-B

 http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2014/i3/BMWi3/
  ) but he was leery of having to go to one of their dealerships and deal
 with another aggressive/uninformed/sales type.

 I let him know of the different L3 charging types used, and that his Leaf
 used the more available L3 (CHAdeMO, 30+ in the SF Bay area alone

 http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stations/results?utf8=%E2%9C%93location=+94080filtered=truefuel=ELECowner=allpayment=allev_dc_fast=trueradius=trueradius_miles=10
 L3 near SF


 http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stations/results?utf8=%E2%9C%93location=94303filtered=truefuel=ELECowner=allpayment=allev_dc_fast=trueradius=trueradius_miles=7
 L3 on the SF Peninsula
  ), and that the European EVs used L3 (combo) was currently far few in
 number (4 in N. CA)
 http://www.plugshare.com/?location=8428
  Belmont, CA

 http://www.plugshare.com/?location=51792
  Mt View

 http://www.plugshare.com/?location=10076
  Benicia

Re: [EVDL] leaf blowers

[Mike Scott via EV]

I've been looking at a Ryobi Lithium powered trimmer to replace the 4-cycle
one I have now. It uses the same attachments as the gas powered one. I have
a string trimmer and a blade type cutter already that would fit right on.
Of course I'd have to get a new string trimmer with it, but then I can sell
off the old one, which BTW has only been used for a few hours in the 3
years I've had it.

As for leaf blowers, I hate them, it's like make work to push the same pile
of leaves all over the place, rather than just picking them up wherever
they happen to be. I did buy a corded one, but only because it has a vac
attachment and a leaf bag that fits where the blower pipe would have gone.
It runs all the leaves through the motor's cooling fan,mwhich has sharp
blades to mulch 'em up.

 I did see the blower pipe the other day, hanging in the garage, unused...


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 So, this discussion is on topic, after all :)


 -- Original Message --
 From: Ed Blackmond via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org
 Sent: 24-Jul-14 10:52:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] leaf blowers

  Even when driving on bridges over San Francisco bay during high wind
 gusts, my Leaf doesn't seem to get blown around at all. I seriously doubt
 that some electric (battery or corded) blower will have any effect.

 Ed

 On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, Denis Boutet via EV wrote:

   Leafs should be picked up, with a sucking tool (that should be
 electric) that shreds them for compost purposes. Then the compost can be
 used on the city's floral arrangements around town. Think for a second a
 neighborhood where every household had a leaf blower... What a fight that
 would make! ;-) Yes it is off topic, excuse me to respond

  Le 2014-07-24 à 00:09, Rush Dougherty via EV ev@lists.evdl.org a
 écrit :

   This is a little off subject, but personally I detest Leaf
 Blowers all they
   do is push the dirt/leaves into the air and off of your property on
 to my
   property. I put it in the same category as littering.
  
   Rush
   www.TucsonEV.com
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri
 Hartman via EV
   Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:16 PM
   To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
   Subject: [EVDL] leaf blowers
  
   My city (Seattle) is studying leaf blower noise and other mal
 effects and is
   interested in the viability of electric powered models. I have the
   opportunity to
   help supply them with information and am wondering if anyone has any
 knowledge
   or other info on what electric powered models are available and
 suitable for
   professional use. Any studies by other jurisdictions, such as a
 lifetime cost
   comparison between gas and electric, would be welcome too.
  
   Since this is off topic, please respond to me directly.
  
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Re: [EVDL] Controller page updates

[Mike Scott via EV]

Lee;

Sorry to be the one to actually read your schematic and notice the Medium
and Slow descriptions don't match the FS switch positions. Open FS to put
field shunt in, close to short around it, right?


On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 Many thanks to everyone for checking out the page! I'm delighted to see
 that HTML4 still seems to work. I was worried that the web had evolved
 past it (the way my ASCII artwork can no longer be displayed on many
 people's computers). :-(


 Lawrence Harris wrote:

 Getting requirements to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A or AA for our web
 pages. http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/  This is designed to
 allow alternate readers, could be voice or brail or just large zoom
 factor and still make the contents usable.


 I hadn't thought about how it would be read by the visually impaired.
 I'll read that page with the guidelines, and try to apply them in the
 future.


 Glen Hoag wrote:

 A good way to check ones HTML coding is to run your pages through
 the markup validator at http://validator.w3.org


 Thanks Glen. I didn't realize that there was an automated way to do this
 (or I wouldn't have bothered everyone).

 I submitted the controllers.htm page and it came up with 16 errors. Some
 were mismatched p and /p tags, which I fixed. But most were omission
 of the ALT= attribute in IMG tags. I used TITLE= instead. ALT only
 displays the text name when I right-click an image and look at its
 Properties. TITLE does this, *and* causes the text name for the image to
 be displayed when I mouse over the image. I guess I have to use both
 attributes.

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Re: [EVDL] Public L3 SAE-Combo EVSE: What serious EVs are available, at what price how do they compare?

[Mike Scott via EV]

Bruce, I just went to:

http://www.plugshare.com/

You should see a popup above the map with buttons for Residential Chargers,
Public Stations, High Power Stations and In Use Stations. Just uncheck all
but High Power Stations, then click More Options, which brings up a popup
window. Uncheck all the different types under Outlets except for SAE Combo
DCFC, then close the popup. Zoom out and you should see about 15 little
flags. I think it's more than 15 now, some of them are pretty close
together and you need to zoom in to separate them. Don't Forget Hawaii! I
could swear there wasn't one in Toronto yesterday, but there is today...


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Bruce EVangel Parmenter via EV 
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 ~15 public L3 SAE-Combo EVSE is good news.
 I found a few of them with a search
 https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=plugshare.com+DCFC
 But it did not show all 15 of them.

 If you have a file of all of them that you have found and email it to me
 offline, I would use it to ask that the adfc database be updated.


 {brucedp.150m.com}




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  Plugshare shows 15 or 16 SAE DCFC stations in the US now. Some are not
  online yet, but Belmont is, and as I said halfway between the South Bay
  and
  the airport.
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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price how do they compare?

[Mike Scott via EV]

Spark also has DCFC available, so initial statement that no compliance cars
have that is wrong.

First compatible charger in my area is conveniently located halfway between
me and SFO.


On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:12 PM, harry henderson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 what about the chevy spark?


 harry

 Albuquerque, NM
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 On Mon, 7/7/14, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

  Subject: Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price  how
 do they compare?
  To: ev@lists.evdl.org
  Date: Monday, July 7, 2014, 10:53 AM

  With a little help from
  my friends, I am corrected: according to
  http://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars/leaf/charging-range/range/
  The Nissan LEAF® can get you 84 miles on
  a single charge. [*] Speed,
  topography,
  load, and accessory use can significantly affect the
  estimated
  range.

  So, recalculating the list using 84 miles @
  $3200 for the Leaf EV:

  Leaf: ~381 (=32000/84)

  i3: ~511 (=43000/81)

  Tesla-S: ~337 (=7/208)

  The Tesla Model-S is still the overall better
  deal using my funny-numbers
  above, and the
  Leaf is still the better lower-purchase-cost deal.

  I hope everyone realizes that
  range figures are a moving target (everyone's
  range will vary). The  mynissanleaf.com
  forum had a chart that showed some
  speed to
  range ratios that some might find interesting:
  http://www.smidgeindustriesltd.com/leafrangewithtesla.gif

  But I stuck with using the EPA
  numbers for each EV, not because I believe
  the EPA range is fact, but to compare apples
  with apples.


  {brucedp.150m.com}




  On Mon, Jul 7, 2014, at 09:21 AM, Jamie K via
  EV wrote:
   Note that the LEAF is
  currently rated at 84 mile EPA range, not 75.
   Taking that into account, and if you look
  at the actual price people are
   likely
  to pay post tax incentives, the LEAF currently has the
  lowest
   cost per range mile of those
  three EVs.
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Re: [EVDL] What serious EVs are available, at what price how do they compare?

[Mike Scott via EV]

 From Plugshare:

Volkswagen Group of America
 PlugScore
 9.3
 Ports
 Wall Outlet (120v), EV Plug (J1772), CHAdeMO DCFC, SAE Combo DCFC
 Stations
 ChargePoint
Wall Outlet (120v), EV Plug (J1772)
 Custom Ports
 30A 240v
Address
 500 Clipper Drive, Belmont, CA 94002


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Bruce EVangel Parmenter via EV 
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 There are and will be low-volume/limited-production EVs that will or
 have a Combo css Level-3 quick-charging option.
 The BMW i3 EV, Chevy Spark EV, 2014 Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric,
 +more to name a few.
 But there has been little to no public Combo css L3 EVSE installed.

 Mike, if you are saying there is one, please post where it is, so I can
 take note of it.
 I want to check with the afdc.energy.gov and plugshare.com to see if it
 are listed correctly.
 I have been asking these free EVSE lookup sites to offer a way to sort
 by coupler type, so that the driver can find what they want.


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  Spark also has DCFC available, so initial statement that no compliance
  cars have that is wrong.
 
  First compatible charger in my area is conveniently located halfway
  between me and SFO.
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Re: [EVDL] http://teslaroadtrip.org/event-outline

[Mike Scott via EV]

Why not? I think the Loud Pipes Saves Lives crowd are beginning to see
the light, witness the new Harley EV bike. Sort of gives new meaning to the
phrase Gas Hog doesn't it...


On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 But, wait!  Can they stop at the biker bars along the way?


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 From: robert winfield via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 To: ev@lists.evdl.org; brucedp5 bruce...@operamail.com
 Sent: 09-Jul-14 11:40:02 AM
 Subject: [EVDL] http://teslaroadtrip.org/event-outline


 http://teslaroadtrip.org/event-outline

 tesla road trip/convoy 7/12- 7/17 from Newark Delaware to Folsom,
 California. (and back)
 apparently they got invited to a barbeque in California.
 4 starting and at least a dozen Tesla's ending as they join up.


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Re: [EVDL] SAE-Combo L3 @Belmont, CA : What serious EVs are available, at what price how do they compare?

[Mike Scott via EV]

Plugshare shows 15 or 16 SAE DCFC stations in the US now. Some are not
online yet, but Belmont is, and as I said halfway between the South Bay and
the airport.


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce EVangel Parmenter via EV 
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 Thanks Mike for posting that there is a plugshare listing

 http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/8428
 Description
 Greenlots networked free Efacec CHAdeMO and SAE Combo. As you enter the
 parking lot, drive west (toward Hwy. 101), the Level 3 charger is
 located just outside the locked gate. You can download the Greenlots
 mobile app, or sign-up at https://charge.greenlots.com and order an RFID
 card. You can also call their hotline (855-900-7584) to request for a
 charge. ChargePoint level 2s are not public ...
 -


 I know this site, and it is a shame as I recently I was nearby but did
 not go there to check on their status.
 This is a VW RD Lab site.
 Originally, their 2 Coulomb CT2100 EVSE were public but now are not.
 Their Blink CHAdeMO L3 EVSE was free, but now according to the uploaded
 image

 http://a6b6a4d850da023e34c0-ffd458871468d7801be60d93d5d79b26.r30.cf2.rackcdn.com/54067.jpg

 The Blink L3 EVSE was replaced by Greenlots (rebadged efacec) L3 EVSE
 that has both CHAdeMO  SAE-Combo couplers  a use fee, see

 http://a6b6a4d850da023e34c0-ffd458871468d7801be60d93d5d79b26.r30.cf2.rackcdn.com/51562.jpg

 Greenlots seems to be an International EVSE company who also uses ABB L3
 EVSE, see
 https://www.facebook.com/Greenlots

 I am going to assume, like the former Blink L3 EVSE, the grid power
 source feed limits the Greenlots L3 EVSE to charge only one EV at a time
 @L3.

 The adfc U.S. Fed Gov site does not even list them

 http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stations/results?utf8=%E2%9C%93location=500+Clipper+Drive%2C+Belmont%2C+CA+94002filtered=truefuel=ELECowner=allpayment=allev_dc_fast=trueradius=trueradius_miles=5

 Looks like someone needs to give them a heads up, as Greenlots may not
 be feeding adfc their new EVSE installations.


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 On Thu, Jul 10, 2014, at 09:44 AM, Mike Scott via EV wrote:
   From Plugshare:
 
  Volkswagen Group of America
   PlugScore
   9.3
   Ports
   Wall Outlet (120v), EV Plug (J1772), CHAdeMO DCFC, SAE Combo DCFC
   Stations
   ChargePoint
  Wall Outlet (120v), EV Plug (J1772)
   Custom Ports
   30A 240v
  Address
   500 Clipper Drive, Belmont, CA 94002
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