Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
The managers of successful independent shops may not be aware of the need for the safety training or that it is available for themselves and their mechanics. I would suggest that the owner of any EV or HEV ask, whether the auto techs are properly trained to comply with OSHA reg # 1910-322. Perhaps

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
Chris, you were directing your comment toward Cor, But I wish to reply to it, Not to be argumentative but to explain. This regulation (IMHO) is not "Onerous," but apparently it is needed and has been the law since 1991. We are a familiar with hobbyists who work with EV, many are contributors to

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
l.com] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:05 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states I have no trouble believing such an onerous regulation exists. One has to wonder however, what astoundingly difficult cert

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
day, July 28, 2014 6:12 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states Dear Cor, It is not a case of WOULD they work on a vehicle that have not been trained to SAFELY work on. But, SHOULD they ?? NO ! As you may b

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Miles > via EV > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:16 PM > To: Ed Blackmond; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states > > ED, did the "Tire Shop" have techs certified for working at ove

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
I have no trouble believing such an onerous regulation exists. One has to wonder however, what astoundingly difficult certification is required to work on cars that carry enough explosive liquid fuel to destroy an entire building and everyone in it. You must have to study and train for years to g

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
, 2014 3:16 PM To: Ed Blackmond; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states ED, did the "Tire Shop" have techs certified for working at over 60 Volts. That is required by OSHA. Your permitting them to work on your Leaf may resu

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
estaurant, boat rental, ...) rules are. I'm not an attorney - anyone else know for certain? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Dennis Miles via EV" To: "Chris Tromley" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 28-Jul-14 9:47:38 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] ac

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
The Rule from OSHA was enacted in 1991, that is 23 years ago and I have seen the measures which our local FORD dealership takes with the Techs working on Hybrids in switching off the disconnect... I suspect the rules will not be changed. However I and others will offer training to Independents. As

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-28 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: > Dennis, > > I can see that for working on the guts of the car, but for changing the > tires? C'mon, I can't believe that even OSHA would be that much of a > stickler. Regulations frequently have a period of awkward adjustment whil

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
Dennis, I can see that for working on the guts of the car, but for changing the tires? C'mon, I can't believe that even OSHA would be that much of a stickler. Mike On July 27, 2014 4:16:23 PM MDT, Dennis Miles via EV wrote: >ED, did the "Tire Shop" have techs certified for working at over 60

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
age -- From: "Ed Blackmond via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 27-Jul-14 2:53:49 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states I recommend a Nissan Leaf. It's not a compliance car and you should be able to get one where you

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
ED, did the "Tire Shop" have techs certified for working at over 60 Volts. That is required by OSHA. Your permitting them to work on your Leaf may result in your being sued for wrongful death if they touched a wrong wire. Dennis Lee Miles (*evprofes...@evprofessor.com )* * Founder:**EV T

Re: [EVDL] acquiring commercial l BEVs in non-compliance states

2014-07-27 Thread Ed Blackmond via EV
I recommend a Nissan Leaf. It's not a compliance car and you should be able to get one where you are. As for maintenance and repairs, I don't think that is going to be much of an issue. My Leaf is almost three years old with 33,700 miles. The only maintenance or repairs it has needed are a pair