Re: The two basic theologies

2013-01-02 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > A Theology for Atheists > There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance > life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call > Evil. > Yes, the particle accelerator physicists at CERN have just announ

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:11:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 5:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:21:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sl

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 5:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:21:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sloppy reasoning. True Evil is about intentionally initiating social harm.

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:21:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sloppy > reasoning. True Evil is about intentionally initiating social harm. Getting > smallpox is not evil, it is just unf

Re: Conputer Code In String Theory Supersimetric Equations

2013-01-02 Thread Richard Ruquist
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Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sloppy reasoning. True Evil is about intentionally initiating social harm. Getting smallpox is not evil, it is just unfortunate. Giving someone blankets known to be infected with smallp On the

Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:13:20 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > > Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy > > This is because things can't be good > everywhere at the same time. Thus evil and catastrophes are > probabilistic. > Why not? If evil and catastrophes are probab

Re: Steiner View of Hard Problem

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
> > "Monism pays attention only to the unity and tries either to deny or to > slur over the opposites, present though they are. Neither of these two > points of view can satisfy us, for they do not do justice to the facts. > Dualism sees in spirit (I) and matter (World) two fundamentally differ

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 4:12:38 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 1:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 1:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesd

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bru

Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:08:41 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes > we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best > interest of society instead of our own self-interest. I believe they have >

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Chemotherapy Good or Evil? >> >> >> Better

Conputer Code In String Theory Supersimetric Equations

2013-01-02 Thread alexalex
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Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 11:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am not so sure about that. Most humans would be more happier just knowing than more humans can be happier (if it is not their neighbors). I think that some problem comes from too much altruistic dreams, and few awkward real practice, but they keep gro

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chemotherapy Good or Evil? Better than nothing for most people having some disease. Worst than THC injection, p

Re: Galileo, Inchofer, and Popper

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 10:34 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: A nice quote from Galileo by John L. Heilbron that shows: 1) One could trace the falsifiability to Jesuits of Galileo's time. 2) It could be a link between falsifiability and theology. p. 318 ‘However, false is not useless. The motion supposed by Co

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jan 2013, at 13:08, Telmo Menezes wrote: In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self- interest. I believe they have two main sources: 1) Biol

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 5:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Leibniz's view, in his theodicy , which I hold to also, is that the world down here, that God created, is necessarily imperfect, so, as they say "crap happens". This is because things can't be good everywhere at the same time. So there is no heaven. Br

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread meekerdb
On 1/2/2013 4:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self-interest. I believe they have two main sources: 1) Biological evol

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Chemotherapy Good or Evil? > > > Better than nothing for most people having some disease. > Worst than THC injection, plausibly for the same group of people. > > Here th

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-02 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/2/2013 8:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: I forgot add that that's why Leibniz called this "The best of all possible Worlds." Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy As to tornadoes, there are various views, usually part of "Theodicies". Here's the view I prefer, that of my

Galileo, Inchofer, and Popper

2013-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
A nice quote from Galileo by John L. Heilbron that shows: 1) One could trace the falsifiability to Jesuits of Galileo's time. 2) It could be a link between falsifiability and theology. p. 318 ‘However, false is not useless. The motion supposed by Copernicus can be employed in calculations, an

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chemotherapy Good or Evil? Better than nothing for most people having some disease. Worst than THC injection, plausibly for the same group of people. Here the Evil is only in the fact that minorities hides information from the majority, and t

Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:39:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > > ROGER: There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance > life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call > Evil. > > CRAIG: I can't relate to cut and dried ideas of Good and Evil or

Re: Re: Re: The two basic theologies

2013-01-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:29:55 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > So what's good for one may be evil for another. > No surprise there. That's why an overriding > referee or judge (God) is necessary. > Why would the relativity of value necessitate some kind of referee

Re: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Then we pretty much agree. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/2/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 07:08:41 Subject: Re: Re: T

"The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-02 Thread Roger Clough
I forgot add that that's why Leibniz called this "The best of all possible Worlds." Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy As to tornadoes, there are various views, usually part of "Theodicies". Here's the view I prefer, that of my mentor, Leibniz, explained in his "The

Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy

2013-01-02 Thread Roger Clough
Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy As to tornadoes, there are various views, usually part of "Theodicies". Here's the view I prefer, that of my mentor, Leibniz, explained in his "Theodicy", which Voltaire took up in his unfair and totally misinformed criticism, the n

Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Telmo Menezes
In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self-interest. I believe they have two main sources: 1) Biological evolution. In the long term, the DNA of the specie

Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-02 Thread Roger Clough
ROGER: There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call Evil. CRAIG: I can't relate to cut and dried ideas of Good and Evil or enhancing or diminishing of life. It seems completely disconnected from reali

Re: Re: Re: The two basic theologies

2013-01-02 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg So what's good for one may be evil for another. No surprise there. That's why an overriding referee or judge (God) is necessary. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/2/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Re: Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2013-01-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Dec 2012, at 19:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:20:44 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Dec 2012, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal and Brian, > > "Bigness" can only limit physical entities (those extended in space), > but is irrelevant wi