Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Oct 2013, at 20:00, meekerdb wrote: On 10/4/2013 7:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Physical time, on the contrary is most plausibly a quantum notion, and should normally emerge (assuming comp) from the interference of all computations + the stable first person (plural) points of view.

Re: A challenge for Craig

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Oct 2013, at 20:06, meekerdb wrote: On 10/4/2013 7:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: When a consciousness is not manifested, what is it's content? Good question. Difficult. Sometimes ago, I would have said that consciousness exists only in manifested form. That's what I would say. I

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Oct 2013, at 01:16, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 04:51:02PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Read AUDA, where you can find the mathematical definition for each pronouns, based on Kleene's recursion theorem (using the Dx = xx trick, which I promised to do in term of

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 09:40:18AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Oct 2013, at 01:16, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 04:51:02PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Read AUDA, where you can find the mathematical definition for each pronouns, based on Kleene's recursion theorem

Re: The probability problem in Everettian quantum mechanics

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Oct 2013, at 23:30, John Mikes wrote: Richard: I grew into denying probability in cases where not - ALL - circumstances are known. I agree with this. That is why there are many other attempt to study ignorance and beliefs (like believability theories, which is like probability,

Re: Aaronson's paper

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Oct 2013, at 03:07, meekerdb wrote: On 10/4/2013 2:14 PM, LizR wrote: On 5 October 2013 06:53, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: He comes to this because he's *defined* Knightian uncertainty as radical unpredictability without randomness. I don't see why it doesn't entail

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Oct 2013, at 10:05, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 09:40:18AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Oct 2013, at 01:16, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 04:51:02PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Read AUDA, where you can find the mathematical definition for

Reformulation of the mind-body problem

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
In case you are intersted, here is a link to my last publication: Article title: The computationalist reformulation of the mind-body problem Reference: JPBM863 Journal title: Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology Corresponding author: Dr. Bruno Marchal First author: Dr. Bruno Marchal

Re: A challenge for Craig

2013-10-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 5 October 2013 15:25, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The question is whether swapping out part of the system for a functional equivalent will change the qualia the system experiences without changing the behaviour. I don't think this is possible, for if the qualia change the subject

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-05 Thread spudboy100
You may be absolutely correct, Professor, Standish, and likely are. But you know, what I can say in response is that the programmer just is, which, of course, bumps, what we know of causality. Or, more, precisely, a programmer designs a program that creates a single hubble volume, or many,

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: the coin throw was random so you ended up in Moscow rather than Washington for no reason at all, but that's OK because there is no law of logic that demands every event have a cause. The point is that in this case the

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology (errata)

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Oct 2013, at 21:10, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Oct 2013, at 17:48, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Oh that's a typo, and I have never read the Many Forking Paths. It is a very good one, quoted by Everett, if I remember well. I think Liz thought on Tlon Uqbar Orbid Tertius. The first novel

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:05 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: the coin throw was random so you ended up in Moscow rather than Washington for no reason at all, but that's OK because there is no law of logic that

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Oct 2013, at 17:05, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: the coin throw was random so you ended up in Moscow rather than Washington for no reason at all, but that's OK because there is no law of logic that demands every event

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Personal pronouns with no referent You never made any assertion explicit. Quote a passage of me with a personal pronoun without referent. The following is far far from complete, this just gives a taste of the

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: you have agreed that all bruno marchal are the original one (a case where Leibniz identity rule fails, If you're talking about Leibniz Identity of indiscernibles it most certainly has NOT failed. If the original and the

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread meekerdb
On 10/5/2013 1:05 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 09:40:18AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Oct 2013, at 01:16, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 04:51:02PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Read AUDA, where you can find the mathematical definition for each

Re: A challenge for Craig

2013-10-05 Thread meekerdb
On 10/5/2013 5:38 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 5 October 2013 15:25, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The question is whether swapping out part of the system for a functional equivalent will change the qualia the system experiences without changing the behaviour. I don't think this is

Re: A challenge for Craig

2013-10-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 6 Oct 2013, at 7:03 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/5/2013 5:38 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 5 October 2013 15:25, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The question is whether swapping out part of the system for a functional equivalent will change the qualia the

Re: A challenge for Craig

2013-10-05 Thread meekerdb
On 10/5/2013 1:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 6 Oct 2013, at 7:03 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/5/2013 5:38 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 5 October 2013 15:25, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: The question is whether swapping out part of the system for a

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-05 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 10:34:11AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Oct 2013, at 10:05, Russell Standish wrote: I get that Bp is the statement that I can prove p, and that Bp p is the statement that I know p (assuming Theatetus, of course), but in both cases, I would say the pronoun I

Re: The confluence of cosmology and biology

2013-10-05 Thread Russell Standish
Sure, but a naked CA is far more probable than a Boltzmann brain that in turn creates such a CA, ie more numerous in the Everything. So much more so, that the BB idea would be negligible. An BBs creating BBs would be even more exponentially suppressed. Cheers On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 10:41:27AM

Re: A challenge for Craig

2013-10-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 6 October 2013 08:13, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: So you agree that there could be minor or subtle changes that went unnoticed? Yes, but it makes no difference to the argument, since subtle changes may be missed with a normal brain. To disprove functionalism you would have to show

Re: A challenge for Craig

2013-10-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 5 October 2013 00:40, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The argument is simply summarised thus: it is impossible even for God to make a brain prosthesis that reproduces the I/O behaviour but has different qualia. This is a proof of comp, Hmm... I can agree, but eventually no God can