Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:43 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 December 2013 12:13, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: All the transactions that occurred so far are registered in a file that is shared between the nodes in the network. New transactions are broadcast to many

Re: Beware of the bitcoin

2013-12-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi Telmo.. Yes. The question of why spain/portugal lost the first world war against UK is very interesting, and I have my own conclussions that are deeply linked to other events, such is the location of the civilizations: why they appear at the border of land and sea, specially when this border

Re: Beware of the bitcoin

2013-12-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Here I wrote something about this: Maxism Weberism is outdated: http://nocorrecto.blogspot.com.es/2012/02/maxism-webberism-is-outdated.html 2013/12/19 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com Hi Telmo.. Yes. The question of why spain/portugal lost the first world war against UK is very

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Dec 2013, at 18:59, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You are the one not taking into account the 1p and 3p distinction, For several years now Bruno Marchal has accused John Clark of that, but John Clark would maintain

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Dec 2013, at 21:29, LizR wrote: On 19 December 2013 08:05, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: For someone who demands to be quoted in full, you sure cherry-picked pieces from Bruno's e-mail. How telling it is that you erased the following questions: Bruno: The question is: is

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: It is clear that you don't take the first person experiences into account The not a ?? For the third time please say how many first person experiences exist on planet Earth right now Locally, 7 billions of

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Bruno: The question is: is it enough correct so that you would please us in answering step 4. If not: what is incorrect. John Clark: (No answer, deleted the question) I have not read step 4, however if it is built on

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Bruno: The question is: is it enough correct so that you would please us in answering step 4. If not: what is incorrect. John Clark: (No answer,

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread Richard Ruquist
I do not believe in #1 due to the no cloning theorem. If comp produces QM it must also produce the no cloning theorem. Richard On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 18,

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-19 Thread John Mikes
Liz - with all y appreciation for your so far experienced stance - you seem feministic if you believe *(**Wherever women are given equal rights the birth rate drops dramatically) *assuming a superb mental position by the child-bearing gender. Just thik about e.g. Mrs Romney - a woman with

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread John Mikes
Here is my tuppence about the *hoax-game* of the *fantasy-play*'teleportation': It is what I said, never substantiated and placed into circumstances never substantiated or verified even within our imaginary physical(?) explanations. Wana play? be my guest. In a 'transportation' (cf:

Re: Minds, Machines and Gödel

2013-12-19 Thread meekerdb
A nice exposition, Jesse. But it bothers me that it seems to rely on the idea of output and a kind of isolation like invoking a meta-level. What if instead of Craig Weinberg will never in his lifetime assert that this statement is true we considered Craig Weinberg will never in his lifetime

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Here is my tuppence about the *hoax-game* of the *fantasy-play*'teleportation': It is what I said, never substantiated and placed into circumstances never substantiated or verified even within our imaginary physical(?)

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Roger, No, QM allows teleportation so 1) and 2) are already shown (in the case of atoms) to be possible. What QM disallows is 3) - 5), which makes the rest of the steps subject to debate. I wish that Bruno could run his UD argument without any discussion of teleportation. As I see things,

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Teleportation is survivable Yes. 2.Teleportation with a time delay is survivable, and the time delay is imperceptible to the person teleported Obviously. 3. Duplication (teleportation to two locations: one

Re: Minds, Machines and Gödel

2013-12-19 Thread Jesse Mazer
To me it seems like thinking something is true is much more of a fuzzy category that asserting something is true (even assertions can be ambiguous when stated in natural language, but they can be made non-fuzzy by requiring that each assertion be framed in terms of some formal language and entered

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Teleportation is survivable Yes. 2.Teleportation with a time delay is survivable, and the time delay is imperceptible to the person

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-19 Thread LizR
On 20 December 2013 09:25, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: How would you imagine to save the world (I mean: humanity)? Someone out there discover the psychological root causes of all the bad stuff we do and design a retrovirus that will fix them. Turn us all into saints - until we're

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2013 1:06 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Roger, No, QM allows teleportation so 1) and 2) are already shown (in the case of atoms) to be possible. What QM disallows is 3) - 5), which makes the rest of the steps subject to debate. The non-cloning theorem disallows 3)-5) at the

Re: Minds, Machines and Gödel

2013-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2013 1:30 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: To me it seems like thinking something is true is much more of a fuzzy category that asserting something is true Maybe. But note that Bruno's MGA is couched in terms of a dream, just to avoid any input/output. That seems like a suspicious move to

Re: Minds, Machines and Gödel

2013-12-19 Thread LizR
On 20 December 2013 11:40, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/19/2013 1:30 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote: To me it seems like thinking something is true is much more of a fuzzy category that asserting something is true Maybe. But note that Bruno's MGA is couched in terms of a dream, just

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
If it's all just math, what is the unexpected surprise that makes it funny? Is math surprised that its math? On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 2:07:47 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: http://abstrusegoose.com/544 Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: It's really all math

2013-12-19 Thread LizR
The unexpected surprise is the jump up the reductionist food chain in the last frame. On 20 December 2013 14:15, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If it's all just math, what is the unexpected surprise that makes it funny? Is math surprised that its math? On Wednesday, December