No, QM allows teleportation so 1) and 2) are already shown (in the case
of atoms) to be possible. What QM disallows is 3) - 5), which makes the
rest of the steps subject to debate. I wish that Bruno could run his UD
argument without any discussion of teleportation.
As I see things, it boils down to whether or not first person
indeterminacy is a non-trivial fact and whether or not if transformations
on integers are sufficient to faithfully represent the physical world and
our existence in such as "self-aware" entities.
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not believe in #1 due to the no cloning theorem.
> If comp produces QM it must also produce the no cloning theorem.
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> > Bruno: The question is: is it enough correct so that you would please
>>>> us in answering step 4. If not: what is incorrect.
>>>> John Clark: (No answer, deleted the question)
>>> I have not read step 4, however if it is built on the foundation of the
>>> first 3 steps
>> What is the error in step 3?
>>> (and I can't think why it would be called "step 4" if it were not) then
>>> I can conclude that one thing wrong with step 4 (I don't claim it is the
>>> only thing) is the previous 3 steps.
>> I think if you read the whole set of steps (or even just the next few
>> steps) you would see where things are going and wouldn't have so much
>> trouble understanding the point of the third step.
>> I will summarize them for you here:
>> 1: Teleportation is survivable
>> 2: Teleportation with a time delay is survivable, and the time delay is
>> imperceptible to the person teleported
>> 3. Duplication (teleportation to two locations: one intended and one
>> unintended) is survivable, and following duplication there is a 50% chance
>> of finding oneself at the intended destination
>> 4. Duplication with delay changes nothing. If duplicate to the intended
>> destination, and then a year later duplicated to the unintended
>> destination, subjectively there is still a 50% chance of finding oneself at
>> the intended destination
>> 5. Teleportation without destroying the original is equivalent to the
>> duplication with delay. If someone creates a copy of you somewhere, there
>> is a 50% chance you will find yourself in that alternate location.
>> 6. If a virtual copy of you is instantiated in a computer somewhere, then
>> as in step 5, there is a 50% chance you will find yourself trapped in that
>> computer simulation.
>> 7. A computer with enough time and memory, that iteratively executes all
>> programs in parallel will "kidnap" everyone, since all observers everywhere
>> (in all universes) will eventually find themselves to be in this computer
>> 8. There is no need to build the computer in step 7, since the executions
>> of all programs exist within the relations between large numbers. Hence,
>> arithmetical realism is a candidate TOE.
>> This is the "grand conclusion" you have been missing for all these years.
>> I don't think this was obvious to Og the caveman.
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