Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Jun 2014, at 20:25, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: That machine does not know in advance its future state, and that is what I meant. So a Turing Machine has free will. Not all turing machine, you need one which can

Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-23 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That only shows how the mind invent whatever childish explanation that does not impair the self esteem for the unknown. That sickness is specially acute in supposedly intelligent people. El 18/06/2014 09:24, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au escribió: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:27:48PM

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
The Germans have been burning and releasing the effluent of dirty, US coal, since March 2011, due to the Fukushima core meltdown and rad release. I understand they have been seeking to restart the uranium 235 plants. Here is a UK Telegraph article I am suspicious about. I am suspicious that

I can't resist posting this...

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/us-student-rescued-giant-vagina-sculpture-germany I'm sure Freud would have had a field day on this one! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jun 2014, at 22:51, John Mikes wrote: They ARE black! Our eyes err. - Without joke: how about those plants that are not green? do they have a chlorophyl variation that is not green? or a different photosynth-mechsm? I think they contain chlorophyl, + other pigments, which plays some

Re: Quantum Logic as Classical Logic

2014-06-23 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Thanks Liz, but had trouble finding it in the thick threads of late, even without my typo :-) Got it now though; it was in the WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT... thread with the link here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/0909.0551v2.pdf if anybody's interested. Thanks Brent. PGC On Mon, Jun

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-23 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:02 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: We're arguably in the domain of Darwinian Evolution in this conversation That's because Darwinian Evolution produced the only thing that I am absolutely positively 100% certain is conscious. and in that domain there very strong

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear John, it is wasted time and effort to argue who is right in a question that raises 2 billion children in a 'faith' they will live by - AND such 'faith' does include the killing of 'infidels' (meaning: who do not share their faith to the last comma) and many more peculiarities which

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Samiya, On 21 Jun 2014, at 10:17, Samiya Illias wrote: Bruno, Thanks for the advise! I never intended to be not humble or not modest, but perhaps I've not been very clear in expressing myself and my beliefs. Thanks, I might have been a bit rude. Sorry. But at some point we will have to

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-23 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: there is a 1-3 confusion here (is it volontarily?). Oh yes, I always voluntarily strive to be confused because when one is presented with nonsense the only logical response is confusion. I predict only 0.5 in most

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-23 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: according to you not believing in God is a variant of Christianity, and obviously believing in God is another variant of Christianity, therefore every human being who ever lived is a Christian except for those who don't

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Dear John, it is wasted time and effort to argue who is right in a question that raises 2 billion children in a 'faith' they will live by - AND such 'faith' does include the killing of 'infidels' (meaning: who do not

Re: Quantum Logic as Classical Logic

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jun 2014, at 03:59, LizR wrote: On 23 June 2014 04:51, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I apply math on the mathematician (the dreamer) like Everett applied physics on the physicians. I suspect you meant to say physicists. Physicians are doctors :-) Gosh. I stopped doing

Re: Quantum Logic as Classical Logic

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jun 2014, at 05:46, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:59 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 June 2014 04:51, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I apply math on the mathematician (the dreamer) like Everett applied physics on the physicians. I suspect

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:25 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: more than half of a summer day peak demand of the major European economy coming from solar electricity, Germany has encouraged solar energy with huge subsidies more aggressively

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jun 2014, at 18:17, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: there is a 1-3 confusion here (is it volontarily?). Oh yes, I always voluntarily strive to be confused because when one is presented with nonsense the only logical

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-23 Thread John Ross
I agree that clock’s operate at different rates as space vehicles and high speed aircraft approach the speed of light or are located at different gravitational levels, but that does not prove that time passes at different rates. Would a faraway galaxy compute the time since the Big Bang as

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
On 24 June 2014 06:08, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I agree that clock’s operate at different rates as space vehicles and high speed aircraft approach the speed of light or are located at different gravitational levels, but that does not prove that time passes at different

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-23 Thread John Ross
All of the GPS satellites know exactly where they are relative to some position here on earth. They are all in communication with each other and they know how fast a radio beam travels. It would be a simple matter to regularly adjust their clock speeds so all of the clocks operate at the same

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-23 Thread John Ross
I don’t believe there are extra dimensions in our Universe. There may be other universes outside of the shell of our Universe. Or our shell may be thick enough to contain additional Universes. Our shell is mostly an equal number of electrons and positrons that provide a perfect reflector of

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
On 24 June 2014 08:55, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: All of the GPS satellites know exactly where they are relative to some position here on earth. They are all in communication with each other and they know how fast a radio beam travels. It would be a simple matter to

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
On 24 June 2014 09:15, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I don’t believe there are extra dimensions in our Universe. There may be other universes outside of the shell of our Universe. Or our shell may be thick enough to contain additional Universes. Our shell is mostly an equal

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
On 24 June 2014 05:47, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:25 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: more than half of a summer day peak demand of the major European economy coming from solar electricity, Germany

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
PS sorry that came out in a big font despite my efforts to reformat it into a smaller one. (Still I suppose it's worth putting in a big font!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update) On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:25 AM, 'Chris de

American Intelligence

2014-06-23 Thread Kim Jones
Last week I decided to do a bit of research on the Internet because I wanted to find out the uses of a vegetable called Kohl Rabi which has just appeared in the shops here in Oz. Kind of a cousin of the turnip. So I found a YouTube video on how to cook this thing. It was by the Massachusetts

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au To: Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 4:02 PM Subject: American Intelligence Last week I decided to do a bit of research on the Internet because I wanted to find out the

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
On 24 June 2014 11:13, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Okay... but why disparage the intellect of the people living across an entire continent for the over long loquaciousness of one single online cook? :) I thought this was going to be a

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 01:47:47PM -0400, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:25 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: more than half of a summer day peak demand of the major European economy coming from solar electricity,

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
On 24 June 2014 11:02, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: And the oil, gas, coal nuclear energy sectors enjoy no government subsidies at all and they are not externalizing huge on-going costs onto the commons right? -- snicker... thought everyone

Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-23 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:23:49AM +0200, Alberto G. Corona wrote: That only shows how the mind invent whatever childish explanation that does not impair the self esteem for the unknown. That sickness is specially acute in supposedly intelligent people. Is that meant to be a Christian

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update) On 24 June 2014 11:02, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-23 Thread Kim Jones
On 24 Jun 2014, at 9:13 am, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: From: Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au To: Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 4:02 PM Subject: American Intelligence Last week

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
On 24 June 2014 11:42, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: -- *From:* LizR lizj...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, June 23, 2014 4:34 PM *Subject:* Re: Germany sets record for peak

Looks like I shouldn't have bothered to give up smoking

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
Looks like the environment may be full of nicotine like substances anyway... http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/24/insecticides-world-food-supplies-risk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this

RE: American Intelligence

2014-06-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Jones On 24 Jun 2014, at 9:13 am, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: _ From: Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au Last week I

RE: American Intelligence

2014-06-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 4:26 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: American Intelligence On 24 June 2014 11:13, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

Re: American Intelligence

2014-06-23 Thread LizR
On 24 June 2014 16:18, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: God only knows how many times I have heard that line while residing abroad -- “you Americans are racist”) Of course, styling an entire country as racist is ... racist. Even if the country

RE: American Intelligence

2014-06-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 9:24 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: American Intelligence On 24 June 2014 16:18, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

Re: Disproving physicalism from COMP

2014-06-23 Thread meekerdb
On 6/22/2014 11:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Jun 2014, at 01:20, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 07:53:55PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: And why do you say that anybody (whether zombie or not) can *prove* the existence of primitive matter? We don't know that for a

RE: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 4:42 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar