Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 2:53:30 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/7/2017 6:37 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:42:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:50:41 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On 1/12/2017 10:43 am, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:20:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 11:16:07 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 3:45:26 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM, > > wrote: > > ​>​ >> The weak case for the MWI stands on its own; nothing to do with string >> theory. In the latter, if you believe it, there are some number, possibly >> infinite, of poss

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 8/12/2017 11:46 am, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote: On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes such that the

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM, wrote: ​>​ > The weak case for the MWI stands on its own; nothing to do with string > theory. In the latter, if you believe it, there are some number, possibly > infinite, of possible universes, and they are all "natural"; that is, > produced by nature. In MWI, as

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

On 12/7/2017 5:05 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 7 December 2017 at 21:49, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/7/2017 9:36 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 7 Dec 2017 15:08, "Bruno Marchal" mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: On 07 Dec 2017, at 10:01, Telmo Meneze

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On 12/7/2017 6:37 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:42:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: When I took a series of classes in Artificial

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 at 10:19 am, wrote: > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in >> the '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class >> explained that, "Intelligence is whateve

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/7/2017 4:43 PM, smitra wrote: On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes such that the quantum uncertainties are negligible compare

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:42:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in >> the '70s the professor intr

Re: cosmic big rip

On 12/7/2017 3:43 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23631550-600-dark-energy-is-mutating-with-grave-consequences-for-the-cosmos/ This is inter

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On 12/7/2017 3:19 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in the '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class explained that, "Intelligenc

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

On 7 December 2017 at 21:49, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/7/2017 9:36 AM, David Nyman wrote: > > > > On 7 Dec 2017 15:08, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: > > > On 07 Dec 2017, at 10:01, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 12/6/2017 1:46 A

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 8/12/2017 11:43 am, smitra wrote: On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes such that the quantum uncertainties are negligible compared

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 08-12-2017 00:22, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes such that the quantum uncertainties are negligible compared to the thermal randomness. And therm

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 8/12/2017 10:40 am, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:44:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes, but only if the phase are indeed different at each slits, I would say. The interference pattern would shift. *I had a confusing and testy response from Bruc

cosmic big rip

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23631550-600-dark-energy-is-mutating-with-grave-consequences-for-the-cosmos/ This is interesting and a bit disturbing. Phantom energy means the vacuum energy density is increasing with time. This means that not only is the universe accelerating the accelera

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:44:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 07 Dec 2017, at 00:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 4:01:31 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 05 Dec 2017, at 11:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, De

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 8/12/2017 3:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: But as I pointed out, thermal motion gives momenta of magnitudes such that the quantum uncertainties are negligible compared to the thermal randomness. And thermal motions are not coherent. You seem to

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 9:47:42 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in the > '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class explained > that, "Intelligence is whatever a computer can't doyet." > > Brent > The

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

On 12/7/2017 9:36 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 7 Dec 2017 15:08, "Bruno Marchal" > wrote: On 07 Dec 2017, at 10:01, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/6/201

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

On 12/7/2017 1:01 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/6/2017 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I suspect that this is perhaps why Brent want to refer to the environment for relating consciousness to the machine, and in Artificial Intelligence, som

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

When I took a series of classes in Artificial Intelliegence at UCLA in the '70s the professor introducing the material of the first class explained that, "Intelligence is whatever a computer can't doyet." Brent On 12/7/2017 1:32 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Both: is very very hard to simu

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

On 7 Dec 2017 15:08, "Bruno Marchal" wrote: On 07 Dec 2017, at 10:01, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/6/2017 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> >>> I suspect that this is perhaps why Brent want to refer to the environment >>> for rel

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 07 Dec 2017, at 00:35, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 3:58:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Dec 2017, at 11:42, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 6:19:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Dec 2017, at 18:21, agrays...@gma

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 07 Dec 2017, at 00:12, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 4:01:31 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Dec 2017, at 11:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 7:57:57 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 5, 2017

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 6/12/2017 9:59 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Dec 2017, at 01:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/12/2017 3:34 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Dec 2017, at 04:34, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 02:11:11PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 06 Dec 2017, at 12:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 6/12/2017 9:54 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Dec 2017, at 01:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/12/2017 3:15 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: I think that is enough to get the macroscopic superposition, as, like I explained, you have to take into acco

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

On 07 Dec 2017, at 10:01, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/6/2017 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I suspect that this is perhaps why Brent want to refer to the environment for relating consciousness to the machine, and in Artificial Intell

Re: [math-fun] Deep Mind crushes chess

Quite incredible, the new version is entirely self-taught from nothing but the rules of the game, and it is 10 times more efficient than the previous version. Jason On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > The AI is coming for your job. > > Brent > > Forwarded Message

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 at 8:32 pm, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Both: is very very hard to simulate and impossible to achieve, > The first computer scientists though that making mathematical computations > was a sign of intelligence. But failed miserably with the next goal, and so > on. > program somet

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Both: is very very hard to simulate and impossible to achieve, > The first computer scientists though that making mathematical computations > was a sign of intelligence. But failed miserably with the next goal, and so > on. You are argui

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

Both: is very very hard to simulate and impossible to achieve, The first computer scientists though that making mathematical computations was a sign of intelligence. But failed miserably with the next goal, and so on. program something that humans do. if your program does it, then it becomes non in

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/6/2017 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> I suspect that this is perhaps why Brent want to refer to the environment >> for relating consciousness to the machine, and in Artificial Intelligence, >> some people defend the idea that (m