Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:48:56 PM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 5:27:39 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/7/2018 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> > To summarize the argument: >> > >> > 1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bo

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:01:06 PM UTC-7, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > ​> ​ >> *It is not hard to see that at this rate we will trash out all forests by >> the end of this century.* >> > > ​ > Things are changing so fast I think i

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 5:27:39 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/7/2018 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > To summarize the argument: > > > > 1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bound to become a galactic > > civilization; > > 2. We do not observe a galactic civilization;

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: ​> ​ > *It is not hard to see that at this rate we will trash out all forests by > the end of this century.* > ​ Things are changing so fast I think its pointless to ​try to solve problems that won't occur

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On 2/7/2018 4:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: To summarize the argument: 1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bound to become a galactic civilization; 2. We do not observe a galactic civilization; 3. If other instances of life are found, this means that life is not so rare; 4. So it is likel

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 1:39:43 PM UTC-6, Samiya wrote: > > A reset event seems a necessity at the rate we are trashing the Earth! > Scripture has something to say about it as well. This might be of > interest: Smoke from the Sky >

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 1:11:44 PM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-7, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Lawrence Crowell < >> goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> ​*> * >>> *He​ [Freeman Dyson]​ di

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-7, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > >> ​*> * >> *He​ [Freeman Dyson]​ did brilliant work on QED and other physics. The >> Dyson sphere is not one of his brilliant ideas. He has also been on the

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

A reset event seems a necessity at the rate we are trashing the Earth! Scripture has something to say about it as well. This might be of interest: Smoke from the Sky On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldqua

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

IGUS = Information Gathering and Utilizing System. The future course of humanity is probably guided by maximum entropy principle. This is that systems will proceed to maximum entropy in minimal time. This is not that controversial for closed systems. Open systems tend to avoid this by being ope

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: ​> ​ > To summarize the argument: > > 1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bound to become a galactic > civilization; > 2. We do not observe a galactic civilization; > 3. If other instances of life are found, this means that life is not s

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 10:03:55 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Lawrence Crowell > >> wrote: > >>

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > ​*> * > *He​ [Freeman Dyson]​ did brilliant work on QED and other physics. The > Dyson sphere is not one of his brilliant ideas. He has also been on the > climate denial side, and continues to be as far

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> > It is interesting in some ways. However, it involves speculations on >> > things >> > we have n

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: > > It is interesting in some ways. However, it involves speculations on > things > > we have no knowledge of. > > > > The idea involves these filters. The

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > It is interesting in some ways. However, it involves speculations on things > we have no knowledge of. > > The idea involves these filters. The one "behind us" involves the barrier to > intelligent life similar to us. There are few example

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

To summarize the argument: 1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bound to become a galactic civilization; 2. We do not observe a galactic civilization; 3. If other instances of life are found, this means that life is not so rare; 4. So it is likely that there is a major obstacle that prevents

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

A robot could do the actual measurement and the output might not have to be read by a conscious entity. Whether there is some conscious reckoning of these outcomes is not clear. It seems to me the most reasonable role of a conscious entity is in raising the question that requires these tests. T

Re: Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 6:09:17 PM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 5:17:17 PM UTC-7, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:06 PM, wrote: >> >> ​> ​ >>> what do you know about their agendas? >> >> >> *FOR G* >> *​OD'S SAKE!!*​ Haven't >