Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 10:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:52 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 2:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:52 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/31/2018 2:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Realizable quantum states

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:54 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/31/2018 2:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/31/2018 9:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> What I was referring to with the "can only be seen" were the *effects* >> of the

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:09:45 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 6:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 31 Jul 2018, at 04:05, John Clark > wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Jason Resch >wrote: >> You and I have quantum entangledcoins, I'm on Earth and

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 31 Jul 2018, at 03:39, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark > wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:04 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> Do Kochen and Specker assume counterfactual definiteness? Bell did, which is why his

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 6:22 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 1:22:44 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 6:43

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: Realizable quantum states

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 2:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 9:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: What I was referring to with the "can only be seen" were the /effects/ of the interference, be they the final

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 2:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:21

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC,

Re: Realizable quantum states

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/31/2018 9:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > What I was referring to with the "can only be seen" were the *effects* of > the interference, be they the final results of the quantum computation or > the light and dark bands in the two slit

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jul 2018, at 02:57, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/30/2018 4:11 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Brent Meeker >wrote: >> Many, perhaps most,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 9:46 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote:

Re: Realizable quantum states

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 9:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:15 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:21 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: From:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jul 2018, at 22:27, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:58 AM, John Clark wrote: > /Forget collapse./ Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in the "Shut Up And

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:43 PM wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 4:47:13 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:15 PM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > >> >>> I was simplifying things to get to the essential difference between a >>> communication and a influence and you're just changing one apparently >>> random sequence to a

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Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 4:47:13 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jul 2018, at 06:21, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jul 2018, at 04:05, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > >>You and I have quantum entangled coins, I'm on Earth and you're in the > >>Andromeda Galaxy 2 million light years away. I flip my coin 100 times and >

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> I was simplifying things to get to the essential difference between a >> communication and a influence and you're just changing one apparently >> random sequence to a different apparently random sequence and the only way >> to tell that

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jul 2018, at 03:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark > > wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra > > wrote: >> >> > A concept of

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jul 2018, at 02:57, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 4:11 PM, John Clark wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Brent Meeker > > wrote: >> >> >> Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in >> >> the "Shut Up And

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:04 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> From: Jason Resch >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra wrote: >>> >>> * > A

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jul 2018, at 01:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> >> >> Einstein didn't say nothing can move faster than light, he only said matter >> and energy and information can't. Thanks to recent experiments with Bell's >> Inequality we already have

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jul 2018, at 01:33, John Clark wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:33 PM, > wrote: > > > the wf has infinite extent (as does the probability density). This would > > imply INSTANTANEOUS propagation when the wf is created -- much worse than > > FTL!

Re: Realizable quantum states

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:15 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/30/2018 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:21 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> From: Jason Resch >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> From: Jason Resch >>> >>> >>> You can

Re: Realizable quantum states

2018-07-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:01 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:21 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> From: Jason Resch >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> From: Jason Resch >>> >>> >>> You can use "itself" only if this

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 Jul 2018, at 22:27, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 9:58 AM, John Clark wrote: >> > Forget collapse. >> Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in the >> "Shut Up And Calculate" quantum interpretation and are only interested in >> predicting

Re: Realizable quantum states

2018-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jul 2018, at 07:56, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 9:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> You might be referring to my comments. I didn't exactly say that the wf >> isn't real. I was focused on the superposition being wrongly interpreted, >> and IMO this is what Schroedinger

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? (+ combinator 1, copy)

2018-07-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 Jul 2018, at 21:54, Brent Meeker wrote: > > I always look forward to your tutorials in logic...even if I don't mistake > them for reality. :-) Well, thanks. Did you get my post “Combinators 1 (introduction) ? (I put it below in case you missed it). Well, it is already a slight

Re: Realizable quantum states

2018-07-31 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
> Il 31 luglio 2018 alle 5.06 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 12:57:34 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:42 PM Bruce Kellett < > > bhke...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: Realizable quantum states

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/30/2018 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:21 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

2018-07-31 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: