Superposition Misinterpreted

I've argued this before, but it's worth stating again. It's a misintepretation of superposition to claim that a system described by it, is in all the component states simultaneously. As is easily seen in ordinary vector space, an arbitrary vector has an uncountable number of different

Re: Yes, it's true. Theoretical physics has become a lunatic asylum.

On 04-10-2019 23:36, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 10/4/2019 12:03 AM, smitra wrote: On 04-10-2019 08:20, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, October 3, 2019 at 6:56:59 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 9:12 AM Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, October 3, 2019 at

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 2:48 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 10/8/2019 5:47 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:42 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 10/8/2019 5:07 PM,

Re: Yes, it's true. Theoretical physics has become a lunatic asylum.

On 04-10-2019 23:09, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 10/3/2019 11:49 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-10-2019 00:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 8:24 AM Lawrence Crowell wrote: This really is a well enough explained question. LC Energy conservation is not violated

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 5:47 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:42 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 10/8/2019 5:07 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:24 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:42 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 10/8/2019 5:07 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:24 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> On 10/8/2019 2:59

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:36 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 10/8/2019 5:03 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 10/8/2019 4:21 PM,

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 5:07 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:24 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 10/8/2019 2:59 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: That sounds reasonable. Indeed, it is reasonable. It is just as reasonable

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 5:03 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 10/8/2019 4:21 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 9:53 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:24 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 10/8/2019 2:59 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > That sounds reasonable. Indeed, it is reasonable. It is just as reasonable > as the measurement postulate. In fact, it is logically

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:49 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 10/8/2019 4:21 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 9:53 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > >> What additional

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 4:21 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 9:53 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 10/8/2019 2:41 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 2:59 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:40:33 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: That MWI entails other, unobservable "worlds" is neither a bug or a feature, it's just one answer to the measurement problem.  If you have a better answer, feel free to state

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 9:53 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 10/8/2019 2:41 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM,

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 2:41 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: I watched a little of Sean's talk at Google. It is a very slick marketing

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 1:43 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:40:33 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 10/8/2019 11:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 12:35:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 5:01:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > > It [ontology] matters in applying the theory. In CI you apply the theory > by evolving a wf forward in time from an initial state. So the ontology > includes a "state" which is some initial wf. But you could do a

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 12:58 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 10/8/2019 11:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 12:35:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:40:33 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: That MWI entails other, unobservable "worlds" is neither a bug or a > feature, it's just one answer to the measurement problem. If you have a > better answer, feel free to state it. > > > Brent > MWI, according to Sabine

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 4:23:20 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:53:49 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6,

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > I watched a little of Sean's talk at Google. It is a very slick marketing > exercise -- reminded me of a con man, or a snake oil salesman.

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:53:49 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5,

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:58:04 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/8/2019 11:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 12:35:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:40:33 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/8/2019 11:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 12:35:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM Lawrence Crowell

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/8/2019 11:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 12:35:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM Lawrence Crowell

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 11:21 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 12:35:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 4:21:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 11:17:35 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> >>

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

Tipler, and now Sean Carroll as well? :-)  -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2019 9:28 am Subject: Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 5:42:02 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 12:35:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > >> On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 4:21:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> As far as I know dispite lots of talk

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 10/8/2019 4:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 6 Oct 2019, at 19:33, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 10/6/2019 1:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: When Alice and Bob are separated, and measure their particles state, the MWI only ask that whatever they found will be correlated. In

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 10/8/2019 4:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: We might interpret the wave differently. Of course, from what I have proven about “digital mechanism”, I expect physics describing only the physical reality we access to. The wave is epistemic, not ontic. I think that your problem is that you

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On 10/8/2019 12:10 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 4:21:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: As far as I know dispite lots of talk about it I'm STILL the

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 8:22:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > > https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous > > *Theoretical physicists who say the multiverse exists set a dangerous >

Re: Wave structure of matter

> On 6 Oct 2019, at 15:27, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 1:39:20 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 5 Oct 2019, at 15:47, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Saturday, October 5, 2019 at 4:26:44 AM UTC-5, Samiya wrote: >> Interesting! >> Consider the ayaat

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

on Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 7:36 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: * > I watched most of the lecture, and was put off by the style and the > lack of substance.* > How much of Carroll's talk did you actually watch? If it was more than 90 seconds you'd know it did not lack substance. And I liked his style

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 9:58 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *Not many scientist are interested in theology, and* [...] And that is my cue to say goodnight because nothing intelligent ever follows. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Observation versus assumption

> On 6 Oct 2019, at 11:57, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:05 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > Those who critics my work are not member of the National Academy of > > Sciences. They are not scientist. > > And those who praise your work are not

Re: How Many Universes Are There?

> On 6 Oct 2019, at 22:18, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 3, 2019 at 6:14:22 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Oct 2019, at 12:12, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, October 3, 2019 at 3:39:26 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Oct 2019,

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 5:42:02 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > So, PH, I believe, that Frank Tipler the Omega Point dude, agrees with >> you on this one issue. He seems to be a

Re: The multiverse is dangerous to science

> On 7 Oct 2019, at 20:49, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous > > Theoretical physicists who say the multiverse exists set a dangerous > precedent: science based on zero empirical evidence Any one saying that even

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 6:25:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > MW is just quantum mechanics without collapse. > > Bruno > > That's what Sean Carroll says, but he doesn't mention or know anything about quantum measure theory or quantum probability theory. @philipthrift --

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:25 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 6 Oct 2019, at 10:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 7:25 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> > On 6 Oct 2019, at 02:50, Russell Standish >> wrote: >> > >> > What I do get is Bruno's point that a single world assumption

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:29 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 6 Oct 2019, at 12:46, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 7:23 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 5 Oct 2019, at 13:05, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> Let us start again. Consider the entangled singlet state that we have >>> been

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:38 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 6 Oct 2019, at 13:03, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 7:23 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> When Alice and Bob are separated, and measure their particles state, the >> MWI only ask that whatever they found will be

Re: Yes, it's true. Theoretical physics has become a lunatic asylum.

> On 6 Oct 2019, at 10:31, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 1:19:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 5 Oct 2019, at 13:08, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 5, 2019 at 2:21:34 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 4 Oct 2019,

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 6 Oct 2019, at 19:33, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 10/6/2019 1:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> When Alice and Bob are separated, and measure their particles state, the MWI >> only ask that whatever they found will be correlated. In the world where >> Alice

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 6 Oct 2019, at 13:03, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 7:23 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: >> When Alice and Bob are separated, and measure their particles state, the MWI >> only ask that whatever they found will be correlated. In the world where >>

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:11 PM John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 3:10 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> I watched a little of Sean's talk at Google. It is a very slick >> marketing exercise -- reminded me of a con man, or a snake oil salesman. >> Too slick by half.* >> > > So you

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 6 Oct 2019, at 12:46, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 7:23 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 5 Oct 2019, at 13:05, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >>> Let us start again. Consider the entangled singlet state that we have been

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 6 Oct 2019, at 10:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 7:25 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > On 6 Oct 2019, at 02:50, Russell Standish > > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 09:05:49PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote:

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 3:10 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> I watched a little of Sean's talk at Google. It is a very slick > marketing exercise -- reminded me of a con man, or a snake oil salesman. > Too slick by half.* > So you haven't read a word of Carroll's book and you even stopped watching

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 2:10:33 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > >> On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 4:21:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> As far as I know dispite lots of talk about it I'm STILL the only one >>> on the list that

Re: Quantum Probability Theory

On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 4:03:12 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > May 2017 lecture notes: > http://staff.utia.cas.cz/swart/lecture_notes/qua17_05_02.pdf > > by Jan Swart [ http://staff.utia.cas.cz/swart/ ] > > from http://staff.utia.cas.cz/swart/tea_index.html > > Lectures on

Quantum Probability Theory

May 2017 lecture notes: http://staff.utia.cas.cz/swart/lecture_notes/qua17_05_02.pdf by Jan Swart [ http://staff.utia.cas.cz/swart/ ] from http://staff.utia.cas.cz/swart/tea_index.html Lectures on quantum probability (notes) *Quantum Probability Theory* In the summer semester 2017 I have

Re: Yes, it's true. Theoretical physics has become a lunatic asylum.

On 06-10-2019 12:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 8:37 PM smitra wrote: On 04-10-2019 09:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 5:03 PM smitra wrote: The descendant worlds get the same energy if they have well defined energy in which case computing the weighted

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 4:21:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> As far as I know dispite lots of talk about it I'm STILL the only one on >> the list that has actually read Carroll's new book, but

Re: Sean Carroll's Google talk about his book

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 6:13:46 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 4:21:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> As far as I know dispite lots of talk about it I'm STILL the only one on >> the list that has actually read Carroll's new book, but he gave an >>