Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 10:44 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 12/3/2019 1:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > This absurd conclusion depends only on the single world assumption, it's a > consequence of the non-existence of counterfactuals. Clearly

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 9:33 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 3 Dec 2019, at 23:06, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 8:03 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Dec 2019, at 03:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> My brain currently has only one state. >> >> How do you know that? How could you

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 4:29:03 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 2:31:08 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:53:39 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:14 AM Lawrence Crowell < >>> gol

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On 12/3/2019 1:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This absurd conclusion depends only on the single world assumption, it's a consequence of the non-existence of counterfactuals. Clearly actions as a response to counterfactual inputs must be relevant for consciousness, It's not clear to me. How can

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 4:43:35 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 10:48 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 11 Nov 2019, at 12:45, Bruce Kellett > >> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:18 PM Bruno Marchal > > wrote: >> >>> >>> That is the whole point of realism. To b

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 10:48 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 11 Nov 2019, at 12:45, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:18 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> That is the whole point of realism. To believe in things despite we can >> not access to them. The belief that reality is bigger

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 2:31:08 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:53:39 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:14 AM Lawrence Crowell < >> goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> *>>> The entire notion of quantum states and eve

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 2:05:21 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > > >> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jan/09/soul-dust-nicholas-humphrey-review >> >> > >> *we do, after all, know something about the intrinsic nature of matter, >> over and above everything we know in knowing the

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 1:53:39 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:14 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > *>>> The entire notion of quantum states and events as localized in regions of space is not entirely applicable. What symmetries exist with these quan

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 12:08:01 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2019 2:50 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 8:32:43 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 8:02:29 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> For symm

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

> > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jan/09/soul-dust-nicholas-humphrey-review > > > *we do, after all, know something about the intrinsic nature of matter, > over and above everything we know in knowing the equations of physics. Why? > Because we know the intrinsic nature of consciousness a

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 11:14 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *>>> The entire notion of quantum states and events as localized in regions >>> of space is not entirely applicable. What symmetries exist with these >>> quantum states or field are then not tied to local g

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On 12/4/2019 8:14 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: But this can be nonlocally correlated in both space and time as an observer finds quantum modes on the BH and outside as Hawking radiation. What can "nonlocal" in time mean?...at two different times, but the same place?  That's what "local" means

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On 12/4/2019 2:50 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 8:32:43 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 8:02:29 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: For symmetry protected quantum states, which are local entanglements, they a

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On 12/4/2019 2:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am a scientist, and I like Mechanism, not because I would think it is true, but because the mind-body problem becomes a mathematical problem (extracting physics from intensional arithmetic/computer science), and we can already test the proposition

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:44:06 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 5:50 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > >> *> The entire notion of quantum states and events as localized in regions >> of space is not entirely applicable. What symmetries exist with these >> quantu

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 5:50 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > *> The entire notion of quantum states and events as localized in regions > of space is not entirely applicable. What symmetries exist with these > quantum states or field are then not tied to local geome

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 5:42:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Nov 2019, at 10:58, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > If reality is pure "information" (as a lot of physicists today seem to > believe, and that belief is required for Many Worlds), than copying > (branching) is

Re: The problem with physics

> On 28 Nov 2019, at 16:51, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:43 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> In Everett's theory it's easy to specify exactly what the bet is about > >> because after its all over it's clear who has won, > > > In each branch. But

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

> On 11 Nov 2019, at 12:45, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:18 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 10 Nov 2019, at 22:24, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 11:22 PM Bruno Marchal > >

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

> On 11 Nov 2019, at 10:58, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 3:18:48 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 Nov 2019, at 22:24, Bruce Kellett > >> wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 11:22 PM Bruno Marchal > > wrote: >> On 7 Nov 2019, at 22:58, Bruce Kellett

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

> On 28 Nov 2019, at 15:49, John Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 8:14 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> Then what one and only one city do "you" personally feel to be in? > > > In the third person view on the first person view, you can say [...] > > What

Re: Superdeterminism in comics

> On 28 Nov 2019, at 17:22, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 10:01 AM Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > > >>Forget prediction!! Even AFTER the experiment is long over you STILL can > >>not answer the question "what city did you turn out to see?" > > > W

Re: Stochastic spacetime

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 5:04:20 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2019, at 00:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On 11/29/2019 2:38 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 9:03 PM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > >

Re: Stochastic spacetime

> On 30 Nov 2019, at 00:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 11/29/2019 2:38 PM, John Clark wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 9:03 PM Lawrence Crowell >> mailto:goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> > data on the arrival times of photons of different wave

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 9:06:07 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2019 6:36 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > The opposite of experiential realism. > > • A Defense of Experiential Realism: The Need to take > >Phenomenological Reality on

Re: Are Real Numbers Really Real?

On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 8:32:43 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 8:02:29 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> For symmetry protected quantum states, which are local entanglements, >> they are local because the symmetry or group action is generally c

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

> On 3 Dec 2019, at 23:06, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 8:03 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 3 Dec 2019, at 03:18, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> My brain currently has only one state. > How do you know that? How could you kn

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

> On 3 Dec 2019, at 09:58, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 2:39:46 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:59, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:49:17 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> On Friday, Novem

Re: Energy conservation in many-worlds

> On 3 Dec 2019, at 09:51, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 10:21:53 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > The reason is that many different > quasi-classical brain states will be consistent with that thought...not > only different quantum superpositions. > > > Brent