Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 4/18/2022 5:08 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 3:18:43 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/18/2022 12:55 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/18/2022 11:17 AM, Alan

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-04-18 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 11:09 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > On 4/17/2022 1:45 PM, George Kahrimanis wrote: > > Just as in Schroedinger's famous example with the cat, you need a "box" > and an observer outside, in order to make sense of the cat being in an > entangled superposition. Instead of a

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

2022-04-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 4/17/2022 1:45 PM, George Kahrimanis wrote: Just clarifications. On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 2:15:48 AM UTC+3 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: But the purpose of randomizing the polarizer settings using photon from sources on opposite sides of the universe is to prevent anyone from

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 3:18:43 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 4/18/2022 12:55 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> >> On 4/18/2022 11:17 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 18, 2022

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread George Kahrimanis
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 3:35:22 PM UTC+3 agrays...@gmail.com wrote: So what, in your view, bugged AE about probability in QM? AG > I think I have come to a crisp understanding of this issue, which I want to submit to you. However, we must take into consideration that the notion of

Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-04-18 Thread Brent Meeker
Could somebody disable Benjamin's hyphen key? Brent On 4/18/2022 1:32 PM, Philip Benjamin wrote: [Philip Benjamin] References given at the bottom. NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP defined below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 4/18/2022 12:55 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/18/2022 11:17 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:06:04 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/18/2022 5:35 AM, Alan

Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

2022-04-18 Thread Philip Benjamin
[Philip Benjamin] References given at the bottom. NYTimes.com: "Don't Just Freeze Russia's Money. Seize It. " The WAMP defined below knows that the unspoken reason for the Russo-Ukraine war is moral not political- an unenergized bio dark-matter twin body problem. " Western nations commit

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 4/18/2022 11:17 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:06:04 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> >> On 4/18/2022 5:35 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> But my main point is that

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 4/18/2022 11:17 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:06:04 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> >> On 4/18/2022 5:35 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> But my main point is that

Re[2]: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread scerir via Everything List
A deterministic clockwork universe vs a lawless universe (see Svozil, Arxiv,2000). I think QM is in between. -- Inviato da Libero Mail per Android Lunedì, 18 Aprile 2022, 02:35PM +02:00 da Alan Grayson agrayson2...@gmail.com : > > >On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 9:16:34 PM UTC-6

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 4/18/2022 11:17 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:06:04 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/18/2022 5:35 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: But my main point is that acausality is tantamount to unintelligible. IMO, there's a huge difference between

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:17:45 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:06:04 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> >> On 4/18/2022 5:35 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> But my main point is that acausality is tantamount to unintelligible. >>> IMO, there's a huge

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 12:06:04 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 4/18/2022 5:35 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > But my main point is that acausality is tantamount to unintelligible. IMO, >> there's a huge difference between being unable to perfectly predict the >> time evolution

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 4/18/2022 5:35 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: But my main point is that acausality is tantamount to unintelligible. IMO, there's a huge difference between being unable to perfectly predict the time evolution of a system, and it being uncaused. AG Is there?  Even if the

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
Am Mo, 18. Apr 2022, um 13:29, schrieb spudboy...@aol.com: > Much thanks Telmo for your informative reply. At this level of society, for I > suspect neither of us are "elites," it's important to trade information, > scientific for sure, but also societal, too, I agree! Telmo > as this

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
>> To be honest, until recently I assumed that Sweden and Finland were not NATO >> members for cultural reasons. Perhaps a certain Nordic sense of >> independence. I now realize that this was mostly an appeasement strategy >> toward Russia. In this case I am still in favor of them joining,

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 9:16:34 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 4/17/2022 6:33 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I was aware of the limitation on *precision* implied by the HUP. I was > addressing whether *simultaneous* measurements are possible despite the > HUP. I think they are

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
The Russian excuse has some truth of neonazis. Look up Ukraine-Bandera if anyone gets a chance? The neonazis are large in Mother Russia as well.https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagners-rusich-neo-nazi-attack-unit-hints-its-going-back-into-ukraine-undercover There's neonazis in the US too, (Duh!)

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread Alan Grayson
So what, in your view, bugged AE about probability in QM? AG On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 9:16:34 PM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On 4/17/2022 6:33 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > I was aware of the limitation on *precision* implied by the HUP. I was > addressing whether *simultaneous*

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

2022-04-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Not to choke the flow of the convo, but some years ago Albrecht also worked on the Observer issue and time via re-examining the work of Ludwig Boltzmann and his Boltzmann Brain. Please continue.  http://clearlyexplained.com/boltzmann-brains/index.html -Original Message- From: Brent

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Much thanks Telmo for your informative reply. At this level of society, for I suspect neither of us are "elites," it's important to trade information, scientific for sure, but also societal, too, as this Black Swan event that Putin started years ago, and made 10 X worse this February.  Much

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It.

2022-04-18 Thread John Clark
Spud, do you even read the links you post with such abandon? Your first link refers to an article in the New York Times, a newspaper that you claimed the day before was absolutely terrible. And the next two links just referred back to the New York Times article and parroted what it said. And

Re: NYTimes.com: Don’t Just Freeze Russia’s Money. Seize It. "Come in Telmo! America to Telmo!!"

2022-04-18 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:17 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> is this neo-nazism real or is Putin's propaganda?* I'm sure there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine, there are plenty in the USA too. And for every American Nazi there are 10 that, if not out and out Nazis, are what I would diplomatically call