Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-02 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:35 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/2/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: To summarize our conversation up to this point: BM: Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and people and numbers, JR: Chairs and people are also

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-02 Thread meekerdb
On 7/2/2012 6:15 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:35 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/2/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: To summarize our conversation up to this point: BM: Do you really not see any difference

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then? Because concerning computation and emulation

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then? Because concerning computation and emulation

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread meekerdb
On 7/1/2012 12:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then?

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread meekerdb
On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then?

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.07.2012 09:38 meekerdb said the following: On 7/1/2012 12:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:57, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 01.07.2012 09:38 meekerdb said the following: On 7/1/2012 12:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread meekerdb
On 7/1/2012 12:57 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 01.07.2012 09:38 meekerdb said the following: On 7/1/2012 12:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread meekerdb
On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:41, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:41, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread meekerdb
On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:41, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/1/2012 4:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Jul 2012, at 09:41, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2012 12:17 AM,

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread meekerdb
On 7/1/2012 2:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/1/2012 2:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/1/2012 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM, meekerdb

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/1/2012 5:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/1/2012 2:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Jun 2012, at 20:01, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.04.2012 11:11 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Hence if you know something in Internet or in the written form, I would appreciate your advice. The best about 20 pages, not too

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.06.2012 11:14 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 29 Jun 2012, at 20:01, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.04.2012 11:11 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Hence if you know something in Internet or in the written form, I would

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-30 Thread meekerdb
On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then? Because concerning computation and emulation (exact simulation) all universal system are

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.04.2012 11:11 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Hence if you know something in Internet or in the written form, I would appreciate your advice. The best about 20 pages, not too little, and not to much. OK I found the paper by

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
problem. The subject is hot, and authoritative-argument are frequent. I understand that but right now I would like to understand what a mechanism is. Gandy has written good paper on this. The book of Odifreddi on recursion theory makes a good sum up. The idea of mechanism is mainly

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-04-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
are frequent. I understand that but right now I would like to understand what a mechanism is. Mechanism from a materialist viewpoint would also interesting. After all, to make a conscious choice it is good to consider all alternatives. But mostly I am interested to learn what mechanism is (say theory

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-04-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Apr 2012, at 16:35, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.04.2012 21:32 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... This is well illustrated in this (one hour) BBC broadcast, featuring Marcus de Sautoy (who wrote a nice book on the music of the primes). (thanks to the salvianaut linking to this

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