On Aug 4, 1:42 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be natural to assume that with the level of technology at the
moment, anything that you can converse with normally is probably
conscious, but
On Aug 4, 1:53 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 3:50 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Because we are human and we know that we are conscious so we can
assume that other things which resemble us are also human and also
conscious. I
On 03 Aug 2011, at 21:58, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/3/2011 11:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I don't take it for granted. But I can imagine building an
intelligent robot that acts in every way like a person. And I
know that I could replace his computer brain for a different one,
built with
Hi Stephen
Thanks for the link - very enjoyable talk. As far as I could follow
it, he seemed to be saying that the differentiation of decoherent
worlds is in the final analysis a psychological matter - i.e. that
quasi-classical reality, as ordinarily experienced, is consequent on
the selection
On Aug 3, 9:14 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 1:35 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 1:54 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Sameness is part of the phenomenology of pattern recognition, which is
a property of the subject. The
On 8/4/2011 9:41 AM, David Nyman wrote:
Hi Stephen
Thanks for the link - very enjoyable talk. As far as I could follow
it, he seemed to be saying that the differentiation of decoherent
worlds is in the final analysis a psychological matter - i.e. that
quasi-classical reality, as ordinarily
Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 31 Jul 2011, at 19:31, benjayk wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
The notion of a TOE usually is used in a reductionist sense, as a
theory that can be used to predict everything.
A TOE should do that, in principle at least.
Of course it should be able to predict
On 4 August 2011 18:44, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't see how life (including us) could exist except at a quasi-classical
level. Evolution needs reliable replication to work with. Given that we
evolved as quasi-classical beings, it follows that our perception,
psychology, and
Hi Brent,
On 8/4/2011 1:44 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 9:41 AM, David Nyman wrote:
Hi Stephen
Thanks for the link - very enjoyable talk. As far as I could follow
it, he seemed to be saying that the differentiation of decoherent
worlds is in the final analysis a psychological matter -
On 8/4/2011 2:59 PM, David Nyman wrote:
On 4 August 2011 18:44, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't see how life (including us) could exist except at a quasi-classical
level. Evolution needs reliable replication to work with. Given that we
evolved as quasi-classical beings, it
On Aug 4, 1:08 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 9:14 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 1:35 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 1:54 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Sameness is part of the phenomenology of pattern
On 8/4/2011 12:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 4, 1:08 pm, 1Zpeterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 9:14 pm, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 1:35 pm, 1Zpeterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Aug 3, 1:54 pm, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
So you agree you might think something is conscious because of the way
it behaves but it may not actually be conscious? I thought you said
before the whole question is meaningless.
The question is meaningless because
On Aug 4, 5:07 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/4/2011 12:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Sameness is part of the phenomenology of pattern recognition, which is
a property of the subject. The subject's perception determines the
degree to which one complex of phenomena can be
Hi Brent,
On 8/4/2011 4:38 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 12:10 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Brent,
On 8/4/2011 1:44 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 9:41 AM, David Nyman wrote:
Hi Stephen
Thanks for the link - very enjoyable talk. As far as I could follow
it, he seemed to be saying that
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
In fact, even
you might not be conscious.
It is not possible to doubt that you are conscious, because doubt
itself is a form of consciousness.
But the part of your brain that is doing the doubting, which might be
On 8/4/2011 4:43 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Brent,
On 8/4/2011 4:38 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 12:10 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Brent,
On 8/4/2011 1:44 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 9:41 AM, David Nyman wrote:
Hi Stephen
Thanks for the link - very enjoyable talk. As far as I
On Aug 4, 8:31 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
In fact, even
you might not be conscious.
It is not possible to doubt that you are conscious, because doubt
itself is a form of consciousness.
On Aug 4, 8:31 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
In fact, even
you might not be conscious.
Here, please try thinking of it this way. Substitute the word
'conscious' for the word 'expensive'.
If I paid a lot of money for something, it is expensive to me. That is
not
On Aug 4, 8:31 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
In fact, even
you might not be conscious.
Here, please try thinking of it this way. Substitute the word
'conscious' for the word 'expensive'.
If I paid a lot of money for something, it is expensive to me. That is
not
On 8/4/2011 6:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
You can't seem to let go of the
idea that perception is perception whether it happens completely
within your own dreamworld, through the tailpipe of some computerized
lawnmower, or a crystal clear presentation of external realities. It.
makes. no.
On 8/4/2011 7:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
It correlates to the
physical character, but the quality itself is not describable in
physical terms like density, mass, velocity, etc.
That's the question; which physical character does it correlate to? The
chemical composition? The
On Aug 4, 10:32 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/4/2011 6:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
You can't seem to let go of the
idea that perception is perception whether it happens completely
within your own dreamworld, through the tailpipe of some computerized
lawnmower, or a
On 8/4/2011 8:40 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 4:43 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Brent,
On 8/4/2011 4:38 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 12:10 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Brent,
On 8/4/2011 1:44 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 9:41 AM, David Nyman wrote:
Hi Stephen
Thanks for the
On 8/4/2011 8:02 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 8/4/2011 8:40 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 4:43 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Brent,
On 8/4/2011 4:38 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 12:10 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Brent,
On 8/4/2011 1:44 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/4/2011 9:41 AM,
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