Hi. I used to post to this list but haven't in a long time. I'm
a biochemist but like to think about the question of Why is there
something rather than nothing? as a hobby. If you're interested,
some of my ideas on this question and on Why do things exist?,
infinite sets and on the
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
That, as I keep saying, is the question. Assume that the bot can
behave like a person but lacks consciousness.
No. You have it backwards from the start. There is no such thing as
'behaving like a person'. There is
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:35 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/7/2011 4:42 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
That, as I keep saying, is the question. Assume that the bot can
behave like a person but lacks consciousness. Then it would be
possible to replace parts of your brain with
On Aug 8, 8:19 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
That, as I keep saying, is the question. Assume that the bot can
behave like a person but lacks consciousness.
No. You have it backwards from the
John Mikes wrote:
benjayk wrote:
*Sorry, I can't follow you... You do not accept the concept of
consciousness
**and then want an origin for it?*
I see you did not follow me... I asked for some identification to that
mystical noumenon we are talking about exactly* to make it
On 07 Aug 2011, at 21:41, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 1, 2:29 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Bruno Stephen,
Isn't there a concept of imprecision in absolute physical measurement
and drift in cosmological constants? Are atoms and molecules all
infinitesimally different in size
On 08 Aug 2011, at 03:03, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Interesting article:
Residents of the brain: Scientists turn up startling diversity among
nerve cells
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/332400/title/Residents_of_the_brain_
No two cells are the same. Zoom in, and the brain’s wrinkly,
On 07 Aug 2011, at 21:50, benjayk wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Then computer science provides a theory of consciousness, and
explains how
consciousness emerges from numbers,
How can consciousness be shown to emerge from numbers when it is
On 8/7/2011 11:40 PM, Roger wrote:
Hi. I used to post to this list but haven't in a long time. I'm
a biochemist but like to think about the question of Why is there
something rather than nothing? as a hobby. If you're interested,
some of my ideas on this question and on Why do things
Craig,
Now I agree that my example was not good. I have searched some more.
What about phantom pain, that is, pain in a limb that has been removed
by amputation? What your theory says about such a thing?
Evgenii
On 07.08.2011 22:28 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following:
On 07.08.2011 21:26
On 08.08.2011 00:03 meekerdb said the following:
On 8/7/2011 11:07 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 07.08.2011 19:58 meekerdb said the following:
On 8/6/2011 11:44 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
...
Please note that according to experimental results (see the
book mentioned in my previous message),
On 8/8/2011 5:34 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:35 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/7/2011 4:42 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
That, as I keep saying, is the question. Assume that the bot can
behave like a person but lacks consciousness. Then it
On 8/8/2011 6:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The machine doesn't care if it's right or wrong
But my thermostat cares whether it's hot or cold.
Brent
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Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Aug 2011, at 21:50, benjayk wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Then computer science provides a theory of consciousness, and
explains how
consciousness emerges from numbers,
How can consciousness be shown to
On Aug 8, 12:03 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 07 Aug 2011, at 21:41, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 1, 2:29 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Bruno Stephen,
Isn't there a concept of imprecision in absolute physical measurement
and drift in cosmological
On Aug 8, 12:04 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You mean some neuron are me? That is worst that the grandmother
neuron idea.
All of your neurons are you, but the only some groups are aware that
they are you at any given time. If you're drunk, for instance, some
parts of you are
On Aug 8, 2:10 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
Craig,
Now I agree that my example was not good. I have searched some more.
What about phantom pain, that is, pain in a limb that has been removed
by amputation? What your theory says about such a thing?
I think that phantom limb pain
On Aug 8, 2:21 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/8/2011 6:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The machine doesn't care if it's right or wrong
But my thermostat cares whether it's hot or cold.
I see what you are saying, but no, it doesn't care. If it cared then
it would not have to be
Brent wrote:
*No, but some neuron excites some other neuron is all that happens later in
your brain too. So where does it become pain? Is it when those neurons in
your brain connect the afferent signal with the language modes for pain or
with memories of injuries or with a vocal cry?*
PAIN and
On 8/8/2011 1:33 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 8, 2:21 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/8/2011 6:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The machine doesn't care if it's right or wrong
But my thermostat cares whether it's hot or cold.
I see what you are saying,
On Aug 8, 7:18 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/8/2011 1:33 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 8, 2:21 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/8/2011 6:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The machine doesn't care if it's right or wrong
But my thermostat cares whether it's
On Aug 8, 7:18 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It has the capacity to understand what the temperature is and what it's
supposed to be. You're just showing your carbon racism because my
thermostat is made of glass and metal.
To be clear, I do suspect that each metal strip, and any
On 8/8/2011 5:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 8, 7:18 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/8/2011 1:33 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 8, 2:21 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.netwrote:
On 8/8/2011 6:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The
On 8/8/2011 5:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 8, 7:18 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It has the capacity to understand what the temperature is and what it's
supposed to be. You're just showing your carbon racism because my
thermostat is made of glass and metal.
To be
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
No. You have it backwards from the start. There is no such thing as
'behaving like a person'. There is only a person interpreting
something's behavior as being like a person. There is no power
emanating from a
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:19 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I think so too. But that doesn't show that some different arrangement of
functions in the brain could not produce a qualitatively different kind of
consciousness. Indeed it seems that sociopaths, for example, are different
On Aug 8, 8:42 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/8/2011 5:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 8, 7:18 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It has the capacity to understand what the temperature is and what it's
supposed to be. You're just showing your carbon racism
On Aug 8, 8:50 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
No. You have it backwards from the start. There is no such thing as
'behaving like a person'. There is only a person interpreting
something's
On Aug 8, 8:53 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
The only way to guarantee identical consciousness would be to
replicate behaviour perfectly. Two entities that produce the same
outputs for all inputs would have the same consciousness.
What is an entity and an output? If one
On 8/8/2011 5:53 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:19 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I think so too. But that doesn't show that some different arrangement of
functions in the brain could not produce a qualitatively different kind of
consciousness. Indeed
On 8/8/2011 6:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 8, 8:42 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/8/2011 5:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Aug 8, 7:18 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.netwrote:
It has the capacity to understand what the temperature is and what
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM, benjayk benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.comwrote:
I am getting a bit tired of labouring this point, but honestly your theory
is postulating something that seems nonsensical to me. Why on earth would I
believe in the truth of something that *can never be known in
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