Re: The size of the universe

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 3:54 AM smitra wrote: > On 13-06-2020 02:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > >> My point is that your arguments are > >> totally flawed. You stated that a free field theory is analogous to > >> a set of independent harmonic oscillators in real space, which is > >> nonsense as

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 3:45:40 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Jun 2020, at 11:52, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 4:43:59 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> So when I say that a number can think, observe, or even just be (Turing) >> universal,

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 11 Jun 2020, at 20:34, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/10/2020 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> Thought perhaps there's an argument to be made from the church Turing >> theses, which pertains to possible states of knowledge accessible to a >> computer

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 20:26, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:03 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:08, Jason Resch > > wrote: >> >> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/12/2020 11:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On 6/10/2020 8:50 AM,

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 4:56 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been reading here often the claim that physics is about the "real > stuff" and math is a human construction that helps us make sense of the > real stuff, but it is just an approximation of reality. So here's a thought >

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 11 Jun 2020, at 21:26, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/11/2020 9:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:08, Jason Resch >> > wrote: >>> >>> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >>>

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 20:22, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:55 PM PGC > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:08:30 PM UTC+2, Jason wrote: > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 22:35, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/12/2020 12:56 PM, smitra wrote: >> Yes, the way we do physics assumes QM and statistical effects are due to the >> rules of QM. But in a more general multiverse setting > > Why should we consider such a

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 11:52, Philip Thrift wrote: > > On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 4:43:59 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > So when I say that a number can think, observe, or even just be (Turing) > universal, it is always a short manner to say that relatively to some “base” > phi_i, that

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

> On 13 Jun 2020, at 04:01, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 3:43:59 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jun 2020, at 17:35, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 5:15:30 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 11 Jun 2020, at

Re: Zombie (programming language)

> On 11 Jun 2020, at 00:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > What does "general recursion" mean? Is recursion in LISP not "general”? This is an abandoned expression for partial recursive function (they are the programmable function, total or not). It is the phi_i. Gödel use

Re: The size of the universe

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 7:31:18 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:53 AM smitra > > wrote: > >> On 11-06-2020 02:01, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> > Energy and momentum are conserved locally, even in GR where global >> > energy conservation fails in a non-static universe.

Re: The size of the universe

On 13-06-2020 02:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:05 AM smitra wrote: On 12-06-2020 06:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 2:08 PM smitra wrote: Indeed, it doesn't have the same value everywhere. And that makes the original point you were arguing wrong.

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 05:01, schrieb Brent Meeker: > > > On 6/12/2020 9:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 04:08, schrieb Brent Meeker: >>> >>> >>> On 6/12/2020 8:12 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am Fr, 12. Jun 2020, um 18:39, schrieb 'Brent Meeker'

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 08:07, schrieb Jason Resch: > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 4:56 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: >> __ >> Hello all, >> >> I've been reading here often the claim that physics is about the "real >> stuff" and math is a human construction that helps us make sense of the real >>

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

On 6/13/2020 1:22 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 05:01, schrieb Brent Meeker: On 6/12/2020 9:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 04:08, schrieb Brent Meeker: On 6/12/2020 8:12 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am Fr, 12. Jun 2020, um 18:39, schrieb 'Brent

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

On 6/13/2020 1:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 08:07, schrieb Jason Resch: On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 4:56 AM Telmo Menezes > wrote: Hello all, I've been reading here often the claim that physics is about the "real stuff" and

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 2:52:22 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Jun 2020, at 04:01, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 12, 2020 at 3:43:59 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Jun 2020, at 17:35, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, June 11, 2020

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

On 6/10/2020 9:00 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, smitra > wrote: On 09-06-2020 19:08, Jason Resch wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law,