Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.01.2011 08:47 silky said the following: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Brian Tennesontenn...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about a mathematical theory about E. What relevance does this comment have? I would say that a model and reality are different things. Do you mean that they

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread silky
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: on 02.01.2011 08:47 silky said the following: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Brian Tennesontenn...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about a mathematical theory about E. What relevance does this comment have? I would

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Brian Tenneson
Have you read the whole thread? silky wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Brian Tenneson tenn...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about a mathematical theory about E. What relevance does this comment have? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Brian Tenneson
In the case of a TOE, the model IS reality. Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 08:47 silky said the following: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Brian Tennesontenn...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about a mathematical theory about E. What relevance does

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread silky
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Brian Tenneson tenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the case of a TOE, the model IS reality. Okay, I won't reply further, this has become irrelevant noise. -- silky http://dnoondt.wordpress.com/  (Noon Silk) | http://www.mirios.com.au:8081 Every morning when I wake

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Brian Tenneson
That's probably for the best. I think if you read the thread you'd understand what my point of view is, and answer your own questions towards me. You might want to look into the works of Max Tegmark for a place to start. http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/9704009 silky wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I am new to this kind of thoughts, so my questions could be naive. Still, I would appreciate if you could help me to understand such a statement. In my understanding, people make models basically to become more competitive, in other words, to earn more money. From this viewpoint, the

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Brian Tenneson
Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am new to this kind of thoughts, so my questions could be naive. Still, I would appreciate if you could help me to understand such a statement. In my understanding, people make models basically to become more competitive, in other words, to earn more money. From

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.01.2011 12:07 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Some time ago, I have read David Chalmers, The Matrix as Metaphysics http://consc.net/papers/matrix.pdf Let me make one citation Importantly, nothing about this Metaphysical Hypothesis is skeptical. The

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Brian Tenneson
Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 12:07 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Some time ago, I have read David Chalmers, The Matrix as Metaphysics http://consc.net/papers/matrix.pdf Let me make one

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.01.2011 12:54 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 12:07 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Thank you for your answers. We could say that the Universe is made of superstrings or we could say that the Universe is made of

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jan 2011, at 11:31, silky wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Brian Tenneson tenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the case of a TOE, the model IS reality. Okay, I won't reply further, this has become irrelevant noise. I suspect the traditional confusion between model in the sense of

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jan 2011, at 13:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 12:54 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 12:07 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Thank you for your answers. We could say that the Universe is made of

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Brian Tenneson
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2011, at 11:31, silky wrote: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Brian Tenneson tenn...@gmail.com wrote: In the case of a TOE, the model IS reality. Okay, I won't reply further, this has become irrelevant noise. I

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Brian Tenneson
Also, the _expression_ "superstring are made of numbers" is unclear. If computationalism is correct the _expression_ "made of" has no sense. Things are not made of something, they are dreamed by (infinities) of computation. The physical worlds becomes the border of the "matrix", that is a

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread David Nyman
On 2 January 2011 16:29, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Chalmers told me that after a WM duplication the first person is in both cities, which is correct *from a third person point of view on the first persons, but not from the first person points of view themselves, and that is the

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Kim Jones
On 03/01/2011, at 11:39 AM, David Nyman wrote: The whole issue of where will I find myself after duplication is in any case very curious. Deciding who I am and where I am can only be post-hoc on the basis of present experience in the context of memory. It's even worse (better?) than