Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 25, 2:05 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: It is not at all camouflaged; Lawrence Krause just wrote a book called A Universe From Nothing.  That the universe came from nothing is suggested by calculations of the total energy of the universe.  Theories of the origin of the

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi, I am 99% in agreement with Craig here. The 1% difference is a quibble over the math. We have to be careful that we don't reproduce the same slide into sophistry that has happened in physics. Onward! Stephen On 1/25/2012 7:41 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jan 25, 2:05 am,

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jan 2012, at 18:04, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi, I am 99% in agreement with Craig here. The 1% difference is a quibble over the math. We have to be careful that we don't reproduce the same slide into sophistry that has happened in physics. I think I agree. I comment Craig below.

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Brent, On 1/25/2012 2:05 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2012 8:27 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Brent, On 1/24/2012 9:47 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2012 6:08 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi John, 1. I see the Big Bang theory as a theory, an explanatory model that attempts to weave

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread John Clark
John Mikes wrote: 1. I do not 'believe' in the Big Bang, Well, we have excellent empirical evidence that the observable universe is expanding, and a straightforward extrapolation into the past indicates that 13.75 billion years ago everything we can see was concentrated at just one point.

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread Stephen P. King
Dear Bruno, I still think that we can synchronize our ideas! On 1/25/2012 1:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2012, at 18:04, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi, I am 99% in agreement with Craig here. The 1% difference is a quibble over the math. We have to be careful that we don't

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread meekerdb
On 1/25/2012 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2012, at 18:04, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi, I am 99% in agreement with Craig here. The 1% difference is a quibble over the math. We have to be careful that we don't reproduce the same slide into sophistry that has happened in physics.

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-25 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.01.2012 01:26 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 07:16:23PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.01.2012 05:59 Russell Standish said the following: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 08:03:41PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... and since information is measured by order,

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-25 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 24.01.2012 13:49 Craig Weinberg said the following: If you are instead saying that they are inversely proportional then I would agree in general - information can be considered negentropy. Sorry, I thought you were saying that they are directly proportional measures (Brent and Evgenii seem

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-25 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 24.01.2012 22:56 meekerdb said the following: In thinking about how to answer this I came across an excellent paper by Roman Frigg and Charlotte Werndl http://www.romanfrigg.org/writings/EntropyGuide.pdf which explicates the relation more comprehensively than I could and which also gives

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-25 Thread meekerdb
On 1/25/2012 11:47 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 23.01.2012 01:26 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 07:16:23PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.01.2012 05:59 Russell Standish said the following: On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 08:03:41PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ...

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread meekerdb
On 1/25/2012 11:01 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, I still think that we can synchronize our ideas! On 1/25/2012 1:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2012, at 18:04, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi, I am 99% in agreement with Craig here. The 1% difference is a quibble over

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 25, 1:10 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I agree too. That is why it is clearer to put *all* our assumptions on the table. Physical theories of the origin, making it appearing from physical nothingness, makes sense only in, usually mathematical, theories of nothingness. It

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/25/2012 7:41 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/25/2012 4:16 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Sounds like the sophistry you accuse physcists of. While 'everything' may be as uninformative a 'nothing', they seem pretty distinct to me. Exactly how is this distinction made? Is it merely semantics for

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net Wrote: A constant that Einstein himself called the greatest mistake of his life. The problem is that one can add an arbitrary number of such scalar field terms to one's field

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: My chasing you with an ax would be no different than colon cancer or heart disease chasing you. You would not project criminality on the cancer Yes exactly, I want any cancer in my body to die and I want the guy chasing me with

Qualia and mathematics

2012-01-25 Thread Pierz
As I continue to ponder the UDA, I keep coming back to a niggling doubt that an arithmetical ontology can ever really give a satisfactory explanation of qualia. It seems to me that imputing qualia to calculations (indeed consciousness at all, thought that may be the same thing) adds something that

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-25 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi John, On 1/25/2012 11:57 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net Wrote: A constant that Einstein himself called the