Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-08 Thread 1Z
On Feb 7, 5:52 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 6, 11:30 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: More seriously, in the chinese room experience, Searle's error can be seen also as a confusion of level. If I can emulate Einstein brain, I can answer all question

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread 1Z
On Feb 7, 5:54 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012   peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: But then why wouldn;t agents have knowledge of each others FW functions. I can't answer that question because I don't know what FW functions are, and forget functions I don't even

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread 1Z
On Feb 7, 12:52 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 7, 12:01 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 6, 9:48 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 6, 7:12 am, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote: arXiv:1202.0720v1 [physics.hist-ph]

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 8, 6:45 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 7, 12:52 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It depends if you consider biology metaphysical. Free will is a capacity which we associate with living organisms, rightly or wrongly There may not be a rightly or

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: If it were completely dependent though, there would no experience of decision at all. I don't understand why people insist on infusing great mystery and significance and resort to mystical crap like free floating glow

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread 1Z
On Feb 8, 2:07 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 8, 6:45 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 7, 12:52 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It depends if you consider biology metaphysical. Free will is a capacity which we associate with living

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: Since it is predictable, it is deterministic Yes. since it is determiniistic it is no free. Cannot comment because your definition of free will was nonsensical and the problem seems to be more with the free part than the will part. I have

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Feb 2012, at 18:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 6, 11:30 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: More seriously, in the chinese room experience, Searle's error can be seen also as a confusion of level. If I can emulate Einstein brain, I can answer all question you ask to Einstein,

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-02-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/8/2012 11:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Feb 2012, at 18:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 6, 11:30 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I think Quentin has a theory here, that you might be stupid. Joseph Knight has another theory, which is that you are a troll. Umm, could

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread 1Z
On Feb 8, 4:27 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 8, 2012  peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: Since it is predictable, it is deterministic Yes. since it is determiniistic it is no free. Cannot comment because your definition of free will was nonsensical and the problem

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread meekerdb
On 2/8/2012 7:45 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If it were completely dependent though, there would no experience of decision at all. I don't understand why people insist on infusing great

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread 1Z
On Feb 8, 6:41 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 8, 11:01 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 8, 2:07 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It depends if you consider biology metaphysical. Free will is a capacity which we associate

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-02-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.02.2012 23:06 Russell Standish said the following: On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 08:15:10PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Russell, This is circular - temperature is usually defined in terms of entropy: T^{-1} = dS/dE This is wrong. The temperature is defined according to the Zeroth Law. The

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 8, 2:32 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 8, 6:41 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 8, 11:01 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 8, 2:07 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It depends if you consider biology

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-02-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 08:32:16PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... It sounds to me like you are arguing for a shift back to how thermodynamics was before the Bolztmann's theoretical understanding. A back-to-roots movement, as it were. I would like rather to understand the meaning of your

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-02-08 Thread 1Z
On Feb 7, 7:04 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Let us take a closed vessel with oxygen and hydrogen at room temperature. Then we open a platinum catalyst in the vessel and the reaction starts. Will then the information in the vessel be conserved? Evgenii What's the difference

Re: The free will function

2012-02-08 Thread 1Z
On Feb 8, 8:31 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 8, 2:32 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 8, 6:41 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 8, 11:01 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 8, 2:07 pm, Craig Weinberg

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-02-08 Thread meekerdb
On 2/8/2012 1:44 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 08:32:16PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... It sounds to me like you are arguing for a shift back to how thermodynamics was before the Bolztmann's theoretical understanding. A back-to-roots movement, as it were. I would