Toward a Platonic model of creation - ver. 1

2012-12-09 Thread Roger Clough
Toward a Platonic model of creation- ver. 1 This is very very speculative, and is likely to change before the end of the day. I offer it as sharable thinking piece in which anybody can join in (a wiki game) and change or add to. 1) Let Plato's One or Cosmic Mind be the

Re: Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona Leibniz, being an Idealist, took the monads and ideas to be real, the physical world to be phenomenol, but not an illusion. You could still stub your toe. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen

Re: Re: Re: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God

2012-12-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Newton believed in numbers but was still a christian. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time:

Re: Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is noobserver.

2012-12-09 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard, Plato's One cannot be a number, for it is where numbers and their properties come from. Your thinking is filled with category mistakes. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/9/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Re: Re: Re: Re: Avoiding the use of the word God

2012-12-09 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, The monads are collectively god That's is likely what Newton would believe and most likely what Liebnitz really believed in but was afraid to express. Richard On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Newton believed in numbers but was

Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Dec 2012, at 14:11, Roger Clough wrote: Bruno Marchal said They are logically interacting though. Right. Which is only possible if both mind and body (brain) are treated as mind, which is what L did with his monads. Materialism treats them both as body, which is nonsensical. So L's

Re: Whoopie ! The natural INTEGERS are indeed monads

2012-12-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, On 08 Dec 2012, at 21:32, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: how about expanding our closed (mathematical) minds into not only decimal, binary, etc., but also a (hold on fast!) 12/17ary number systems? in that case 17 would be non-primary, divisible by 2,3,4,6 besides the 1. I am not

Re: A truce: if atheism/materialism is an as if universe

2012-12-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Dec 2012, at 00:30, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/8/2012 2:28 PM, John Mikes wrote: Dear Stephen, it is amazing how we formulate our (belief) systems similarly, except for yours in a descriptive - mine in an agnostic explanation (=a joke). Dear John, ;-) I try hard to stay in a

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Dec 2012, at 02:23, meekerdb wrote: On 12/8/2012 2:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: People change over time and the meaning of the pronoun associated with that changing person will change over time too, and the meaning of the pronoun will change even more suddenly if a duplicating

Re: Avoiding the use of the word God

2012-12-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/9/2012 7:54 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Roger, The monads are collectively god Dear Roger and Richard, This is what I have come to believe about Monads as well. They are collectively God, they do not have an absolute hierarchy. Their relation is more like what we see in a neural

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:37 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: If I understand your point correctly the deciding factor of an experiment's value is whether there is a result obtained not known before the

Re: A truce: if atheism/materialism is an as if universe

2012-12-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/9/2012 9:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hmm With CTM it is simple, if our knowledge augment linearly, our ignorance augments non computably. The more we know, the more we can intuit how much we don't know, making us wiser (with some luck). We can jump from big picture to big picture,

Re: Whoopie ! The natural INTEGERS are indeed monads

2012-12-09 Thread John Mikes
OOps#2: I would have to be a super-Gauss to explain the 12/17ary system. The last time I really *studied* math-rules was in 1948, preparing for my Ph.D. exam, - since then I only forget. 12/17 is surely a value, hopefully applicable in erecting a math-system, like with 2 the binary, or with 10

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-09 Thread meekerdb
On 12/9/2012 12:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: And without a doubt the most popular interpretation of Quantum Mechanics among working physicists is SUAC (Shut Up And Calculate), That's not an interpretation at all. Well for a more philosophical statement of it see Omnes. His view is

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-09 Thread meekerdb
On 12/9/2012 12:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: This reminded me a bit of The Presumptuous Philosopher thought experiment: It is the year 2100 and physicists have narrowed down the search for a theory of everything to only two remaining plausible candidate theories, T1 and T2 (using

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/9/2012 12:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: And without a doubt the most popular interpretation of Quantum Mechanics among working physicists is SUAC (Shut Up And Calculate), That's not an interpretation at all. Well

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-09 Thread meekerdb
On 12/9/2012 4:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/9/2012 12:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: And without a doubt the most popular interpretation of Quantum Mechanics among working

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-09 Thread meekerdb
On 12/9/2012 5:03 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 6:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/9/2012 4:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: