Re: Losing Control

2013-04-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:03:51 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: If you ARE the sequence of neurological events and the neurological

Re: Losing Control

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:57:39 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:03:51 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Craig Weinberg

Leibniz uses the concept of entelechy (potential energy) rather than energy

2013-04-11 Thread Roger Clough
In the quotes below, L refers to entelechies as souls. Only living being have souls of any type. From my own knoweledge of the history of philosophy the notion of entelechy seems similar to Schopenhauer's concept of WILL-- the World as Will and Power -- and -- Heaven forbid- Nietzsche's

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Terren Suydam
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples. But I think to say pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution... is a sleight of hand. Pain and pleasure are

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:38:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Terren Suydam
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/10/2013 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way identified with decreases in entropy,

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Terren Suydam
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples. But I think to say pain and pleasure are fine-tuned by evolution... is a

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your brain function, and aware of them in a way which is a million times more

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:38:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your

WHOOPS! The taboo of Platonism

2013-04-11 Thread Roger Clough
WHOOPS ! I left out a critical phrase in my previous email. The Taboo of Platonism Ask most mathematicians if they believe that they invent new theorems or discover them. They will almost always say that they discover them. But if they discover those truths, there must be a pre-existing

Re: The Taboo of Platonism

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
It may be taboo, but I think the taboo is there for a reason - which is that to day that there is a Platonic realm implies a physical place in which pure forms or ideas are present independent of any content. Ask a mathematician instead whether there is a sense of mathematical truth that is

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Apr 2013, at 23:57, meekerdb wrote: On 4/10/2013 1:36 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: This is close to an idea I have been mulling over for some time... that the source of the phenomenological feeling of pleasure is in some way identified with decreases in entropy, and pain is in some way

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:54:17 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that pain and pleasure are fine-tunned

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: There is nothing in numerology or astrology which is even remotely as flaky as modern cosmology. After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Their admissions standards have already tanked Can you give a example? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says seriously. What about Schrödinger? Schrödinger didn't say There is nothing in

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:27:44 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: After several statements of this sort I don't see how anybody who values rationality can take anything that Craig Weinberg says

In the current world economic crisis, is capitalism doomed ? You decide.

2013-04-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi - In the current world economic crisis, is capitalism doomed ? You decide. See Karl Marx (BBC Documentary Series) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQuRHVNGiYo Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 4/11/2013 http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:43:20 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: It's a bit odd to ask why a random event happened; if you could explain why then there would be a reason for it to happen, and then it wouldn't be random. I'm not asking why the ball landed on 26 black, I'm asking why is

Re: The Taboo of Platonism

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:41, Roger Clough wrote: The Taboo of Platonism Ask most mathematicians if they believe that they invent new theorems or discover them. If they discover those truths, then there is a pre-existing Platonic realm of mathematical truth to which they naturally have access.

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.04.2013 23:59 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:55 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:52 Telmo Menezes said the following: ... I suspect life is just meaningless from the outside. I'd say that pain and pleasure are fine-tunned by evolution to maximise the

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.04.2013 22:58 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:38 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 22:34 meekerdb said the following: On 4/10/2013 1:18 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.04.2013 07:16 meekerdb said the following: On 4/9/2013 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ...

Losing Control

2013-04-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Muscles and cells follow your intention if they receive input from conscious centres in your brain, but the cells in those centres follow the mechanistic rules that neuroscientists know and love.

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Apr 2013, at 20:48, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Re: Losing Control

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:23:06 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Muscles and cells follow your intention if they receive input from conscious centres in your brain, but the cells in those centres follow

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:38:26 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:54:43 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 15:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:15:09 AM UTC-4,

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-11 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way? It couldn't. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:24:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way? It couldn't. Are you saying then that matter is random, or that it is neither random

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread meekerdb
On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples. But I think to say pain and pleasure are

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:22:47 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.netjavascript: wrote: On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples.

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread Terren Suydam
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/10/2013 2:08 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Telmo, Yes, those are good counter examples. But I

would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or spiritual factors may also play a role. I'm interested in how this experience is generated. That's as far as I take it, says Nelson. As to the ultimate

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 01:13:31PM -0400, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: Lack of importance should not be a reason. That is ridiculous. Science and Nature cannot publish every manuscript they receive and they shouldn't even if they

Re: Losing Control

2013-04-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: So you are saying that my arm moves at random times like the lottery pays off randomly? How come I can predict when I am about to move my arm and be right every time? The lottery pays off unpredictably to an

Re: would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or spiritual factors may also play a role. I'm interested in how this

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:29:51 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: If matter is deterministic, how could it behave in a random way? It couldn't. Are

Re: would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological

Re: Scientific journals

2013-04-11 Thread meekerdb
On 4/11/2013 10:15 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com mailto:yann...@gmail.com wrote: Their admissions standards have already tanked Can you give a example? Does Craig have degree? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: The world is in the brain

2013-04-11 Thread meekerdb
On 4/11/2013 2:44 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/11/2013 7:32 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: would I win the bet after all?

2013-04-11 Thread meekerdb
On 4/11/2013 3:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi John, http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060410/full/news060410-2.html Nelson doesn't rule out the possibility that other psychological or spiritual factors may also play a role. I'm interested in how this experience is generated. That's as far as I