Re: participatory anthropic principle biocentrism

2013-04-24 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:59:20AM +0200, Alberto G. Corona wrote: In this case, the hard step that is relevant is the first: if the most simple form of extraterrestrial life exist then the biocentrist hypothesis is false. That is a strong statement. It certainly is. One that I suspect

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Brian Tenneson
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:37:14 PM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote: You keep claiming that we understand this and that or know this and that. And, yes, saying something along the lines of we know we understand

Re: [Mind and Brain] Re: [Cognitive Neuroscience Forum] News: A Complex Theory of Consciousness

2013-04-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
Perhaps I missed something in my reading of that SIAM article, but there seems to be no mention of what causes consciousness. In that regard I prefer the suggestion of P C M Davies that consciousness manifests in a holographic universe when phi exceeds the Lloyd Limit for computations in our

Re: participatory anthropic principle biocentrism

2013-04-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Although instead of biocentrist it sould be called observercentrist or mindcentrist hypothesis But the nominalistic-positivistic censorship is too strong 2013/4/24 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 11:59:20AM +0200, Alberto G. Corona wrote: In this case, the

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:31:55 AM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:37:14 PM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote: You keep claiming that we understand this and that or know

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2013, at 22:02, meekerdb wrote: On 4/23/2013 12:27 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 01:02:59PM -0400, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 , Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: If so and consciousness is a all or nothing matter and is not on a

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:11:06 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Apr 2013, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: A quote from someone on Facebook. Any comments? Computers can only do computations for rational numbers, not for real

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2013, at 22:26, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:58:33 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: If you think about your own vision, you can see millions of pixels constantly, you are aware of the

Re: Nations die when they lose their religion.

2013-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2013, at 23:21, John Mikes wrote: And what good does it do to H A V E nations? Starting wars? Looking down on every other nation? Exploiting strangers/foreigners? Nationalism is a pest in the human world. You are right saying that it is - sort of - a religious aberration,

Re: Nations die when they lose their religion.

2013-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Apr 2013, at 00:10, meekerdb wrote: On 4/23/2013 2:21 PM, John Mikes wrote: And what good does it do to H A V E nations? Starting wars? Looking down on every other nation? Exploiting strangers/foreigners? Nationalism is a pest in the human world. You are right saying that it is -

Re: Nations die when they lose their religion.

2013-04-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Roget told about the nation. Not about the nationalism. They have little to do in common. In fact when natíons lose their religión, nationalism is the sustitutive religión that takes over, most of the time, before the nation is lost. One thing is a nation and another is nationalism. A nation

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:50:07 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Apr 2013, at 22:26, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:58:33 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: If you think about your own

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Brian Tenneson
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:31:55 AM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:37:14 PM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote:

Re: Why do particles decay randomly?

2013-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Apr 2013, at 05:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:27:02 PM UTC-4, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 07:38:36AM -0700, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you are sleepwalking, are 'you' conscious or not conscious? Dunno. As far as I know, I've never done it.

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Apr 2013, at 21:29, Brian Tenneson wrote: Interesting read. The problem I have with this is that in set theory, there are several examples of sets who owe their existence to axioms alone. In other words, there is an axiom that states there is a set X such that (blah, blah, blah).

Re: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after all ?

2013-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Dec 2012, at 18:55, Brian Tenneson wrote: So is that a yes? If so, can you stipulate such a physical object? On Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:08:27 PM UTC-8, Brent wrote: On 12/30/2012 11:23 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: Is there a physical object that exists physically which is not

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Apr 2013, at 15:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:50:07 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Apr 2013, at 22:26, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:58:33 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Craig Weinberg

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 10:09:44 AM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote: On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:31:55 AM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Craig Weinberg

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Brian Tenneson
I probably shouldn't be talking to someone who thinks distinguishing a sack of potatoes from a woman means understanding women. News flash: understand tacitly implies understand completely. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, April 24,

Re: Nations die when they lose their religion.

2013-04-24 Thread John Clark
Even if it was true that nations die when they lose their religion that wouldn't mean that religion tells the truth, in fact we know for a fact that most of them are wrong because there are lots of religions and most of them contradict each other. But is it even true that religion promotes

Re: Nations die when they lose their religion.

2013-04-24 Thread Terren Suydam
You are conflating peace with stability. Terren On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Even if it was true that nations die when they lose their religion that wouldn't mean that religion tells the truth, in fact we know for a fact that most of them are wrong

Re: Nations die when they lose their religion.

2013-04-24 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/4/24 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com Even if it was true that nations die when they lose their religion that wouldn't mean that religion tells the truth, in fact we know for a fact that most of them are wrong because there are lots of religions and most of them contradict each other. But

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:58:08 AM UTC-4, Brian Tenneson wrote: I probably shouldn't be talking to someone who thinks distinguishing a sack of potatoes from a woman means understanding women. News flash: understand tacitly implies understand completely. If you define complete

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread smitra
Perhaps one should define things such that it can be impolemented by any arbitrary finite state machine, no mater how large. Then, while there may not be a limit to the capacity of finite state machines, each such machine has a finite capacity, and therefore in none of these machines can one

Re: Rationals vs Reals in Comp

2013-04-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:49:00 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Apr 2013, at 22:07, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:11:06 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Apr 2013, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: A quote from someone on Facebook. Any comments?

Re: Nations die when they lose their religion.

2013-04-24 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:01:09PM -0400, John Clark wrote: Even if it was true that nations die when they lose their religion that wouldn't mean that religion tells the truth, in fact we know for a fact that most of them are wrong because there are lots of religions and most of them

A Deeper Look a Peripheral Vision

2013-04-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://multisenserealism.com/2013/04/25/a-deeper-look-a-peripheral-vision/ [image: image] When peripheral vision is being explained, an image like the one on the right is often used to show how only a small area around our point of focus is in high definition. The periphery is shown to be