Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Oct 2014, at 18:45, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 5:50 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re:

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Oct 2014, at 19:20, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:07 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re:

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Oct 2014, at 22:55, meekerdb wrote: On 10/3/2014 10:20 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: A lot of evidence for some God (like the god Matter), is not a proof of its existence, still less so in front of complex open problems. I have been having a very long

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Oct 2014, at 13:55, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: what about Tegmarks' statement that consciousness is another form of matter. It contradicts computationalism. It runs against its own paper showing that the brain can't exploit quantum coherence. I think makes also Everett

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Oct 2014, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote: On 10/3/2014 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Oct 2014, at 20:41, meekerdb wrote: On 10/2/2014 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Religion and spirituality are not barbaric, like medication are not dangerous. But the distinction between

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Oct 2014, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote: Religion is when spiritual people exchange their experience. Who are the people who are not spiritual? Should they be killed? The people who are not spiritual are those who are not interested in the search. No problem with them. Other are

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Oct 2014, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote: The problem with theories of everything is that they are either too difficult to test or have been found to conflict with observation. So almost all scientists choose to chew on some more modest bite. No problem. The point is that some theology

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I have put my card on the table. A religion is defined by a conception or reality. So atheism is a religion, and so is mathematics and physics and biology and geology and economics and poetry and history and the IRS tax

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread mickey . beergate
On Sunday, October 5, 2014 4:08:37 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 19:20, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: [ mailto:ever...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal *Sent:* Friday,

RE: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

2014-10-05 Thread John Ross
Tell him to read my book, Tronnies, The Source of the Coulomb Force, available at Amazon.com. First a quick summary of how our Universe operates: Tronnies are point particles with a charge of plus e or minus e, and the point focus of Coulomb force waves. Tronnies have no mass and no

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

2014-10-05 Thread John Mikes
John, I promised not to ARGUE WITH YOU, so this is no argument either., Just a question: how do you know there is 'nothing else' beyond your tronies? even if Brent may call them excitations of a more fundamental field (excuse me, Brent). There may be more of such, more fundamental and more than

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread meekerdb
On 10/5/2014 10:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote: The problem with theories of everything is that they are either too difficult to test or have been found to conflict with observation. So almost all scientists choose to chew on some more modest bite. No

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:10 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/5/2014 10:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote: The problem with theories of everything is that they are either too difficult to test or have been found to conflict with

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-05 Thread meekerdb
On 10/5/2014 10:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Oct 2014, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote: Religion is when spiritual people exchange their experience. Who are the people who are not spiritual? Should they be killed? The people who are not spiritual are those who are not interested in the

RE: Is mathematics human thinking? WAS [generalizations_of_islam - God Matter]

2014-10-05 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Mathematics is human thinking, we are smart to have mastered SOME of it (not all, as the progression of math shows). John M John one question that comes to mind then is: if math is the cultural accumulated product of human thought over the arc of the history of recorded culture, then

Re: Is mathematics human thinking? WAS [generalizations_of_islam - God Matter]

2014-10-05 Thread meekerdb
On 10/5/2014 4:34 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Mathematics is human thinking, we are smart to have mastered SOME of it (not all, as the progression of math shows). John M John one question that comes to mind then is: if math is the cultural accumulated product of