Re: Can work be extracted from the expansion of the universe?

I don't think it's wrong in principle, but in practice the expansion force is like negative gravity whose force is very weak and whose speed even over galactic distances in very small so the available power density is tiny. Brent On 2/28/2018 6:24 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2018

Re: Can work be extracted from the expansion of the universe?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 7:12 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: ​> ​ > In a sense the negative pressure from so called dark energy is performing > negative work. > ​ Can you see any error in the sticky bead argument ​?​ John K Clark -- You received this message be

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 7:25 PM, wrote: *​> ​You and other skeptics should be demanding release of material from > which Project Mogul balloons were made,* > ​We already know what they were make of, surplus junk from a toy company. ​From: ​ http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/Roswell/USMo

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 5:59 PM, wrote: *​> ​It was on hyper sensitizing photographic emulsions, maybe in 1967, and > probably a second one same year. AG* > > One of the co-authors; > > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Morrison_(astrophysicist) >

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 7:16:38 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:49:56 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 7:16:38 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:49:56 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:49:56 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 1:26:01 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 2

Re: Can work be extracted from the expansion of the universe?

In a sense the negative pressure from so called dark energy is performing negative work. LC On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 6:08:26 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > For years physicists debated if gravitational waves were real, some said > they contained no energy and so were just a mathemati

Can work be extracted from the expansion of the universe?

For years physicists debated if gravitational waves were real, some said they contained no energy and so were just a mathematical artifact of no physical significance. But then in 1957 Richard Feynman came up with a thought experiment that showed gravitational waves must contain energy and thus mus

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 2/28/2018 7:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Feb 2018, at 19:09, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 2/26/2018 2:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2018, at 20:37, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 2/23/2018 12:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 5:46:24 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 5:38:06 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 1:04 PM, wrote: >> >> ​>> ​ You coauthored papers with Carl Sagan but you don't remember precisely >

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 5:38:06 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 1:04 PM, > > wrote: > > ​>> ​ >>> You coauthored papers with Carl Sagan but you don't remember precisely >>> how many??? >>> >> >> *​> ​At least one, maybe two. It was in 1966, so I don't have an

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 1:04 PM, wrote: ​>> ​ >> You coauthored papers with Carl Sagan but you don't remember precisely >> how many??? >> > > *​> ​At least one, maybe two. It was in 1966, so I don't have an exact > recollection. AG* > Near as I can tell Sagan​ only published one scientific paper

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 1:26:01 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:34 PM,

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 3:30:21 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2018 5:44 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > *Consider this hypothetical event, of which several examples exist; a > saucer shaped craft circles and follows a commercial airliner over a remote > region, making

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 1:26:01 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:34 PM, wrote: >> >> >>> *​> ​Then why does the government continue to refuse to release >>> facsim

Re: Disclosure Project

On 2/28/2018 5:44 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *Consider this hypothetical event, of which several examples exist; a saucer shaped craft circles and follows a commercial airliner over a remote region, making no noise and exhibiting maneuvers which seem unlike anything possible with hum

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On 2/28/2018 3:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: So what do you find more convincing: An axiomatic proof that God exists, e.g. St Anslem's or Goedel's. or The mere empirical absence of evidence. In these proves, God = Totality / Ultimate Reality / The Whole Shebang. They don't mention commandments

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:08:43 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Feb 2018, at 18:02, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:53:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 24 Feb 2018, at 00:36, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, Febr

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 1:17:30 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:34 PM, > > wrote: > > >> *​> ​Then why does the government continue to refuse to release >> facsimiles of the * >> *Project Mogul balloons, or better yet what was recovered at Roswell if >

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:34 PM, wrote: > *​> ​Then why does the government continue to refuse to release facsimiles > of the * > *Project Mogul balloons, or better yet what was recovered at Roswell if it > didn't **have something to hide?* ​They did have something to hide, they were violatin

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 1:00:49 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 6:57 PM, > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:38 AM, wrote: > >> > >> > I don't

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 6:57 PM, wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:38 AM, wrote: >> >> I don't KNOW for sure there isn't a teapot in orbit around Uranus either, but I'm not going to inflict wear and

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:38 AM, > > wrote: > > ​>> ​ >>> I don't KNOW for sure there isn't a teapot in orbit around Uranus >>> either, but I'm not going to inflict wear and tear on my brain cells >>> worrying about it

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 6:34 PM, wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:08:17 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >> Ok, I'm in bed recovering from flu. I watched the video. >> >> So we have: >> >> * Jack Trowbridge was First Lieutenant at Roswell. He claims that he >> was playing bridg

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:38 AM, wrote: ​>> ​ >> I don't KNOW for sure there isn't a teapot in orbit around Uranus either, >> but I'm not going to inflict wear and tear on my brain cells worrying about >> it because time spent thinking about teapots or a invasion of saucer men is >> time not spen

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:08:17 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > Ok, I'm in bed recovering from flu. I watched the video. > > So we have: > > * Jack Trowbridge was First Lieutenant at Roswell. He claims that he > was playing bridge at the house of a superior, and that he showed u

Re: Disclosure Project

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:48:48 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/27/2018 5:28 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 7:00:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/27/2018 2:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 3:3

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

> On 27 Feb 2018, at 11:42, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> Depends on what you mean by "proof", we sentence people to prison based on >> proof of their crime. Not all proof is mathematical. And mathematical >> proof is only relative to the axioms. > > I think that this is one of those cases where

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

> On 26 Feb 2018, at 19:09, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/26/2018 2:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 23 Feb 2018, at 20:37, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/23/2018 12:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 22 Feb 2018, at 23:17, Brent

Re: Disclosure Project

Ok, I'm in bed recovering from flu. I watched the video. So we have: * Jack Trowbridge was First Lieutenant at Roswell. He claims that he was playing bridge at the house of a superior, and that he showed up with some alien material. It had strange hieroglyphs and "you squeezed it up in your hands

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 9:34:31 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:18 PM, > > wrote: > > *​> ​I've argued over dinner with him about this stuff.* >> > > ​No, I don't think so. > > *​> ​I mean there's nothing that you really KNOW to be sure this isn't >> happen

Re: Disclosure Project

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:18 PM, wrote: *​> ​I've argued over dinner with him about this stuff.* > ​No, I don't think so. *​> ​I mean there's nothing that you really KNOW to be sure this isn't > happening.* I don't KNOW for sure there isn't a teapot in orbit around Uranus either, but I'm not

Re: Disclosure Project

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 12:03:58 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 11:57:08 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/27/2018 6:52 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 8:28:27 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell

Re: INDEXICAL Computationalism

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/27/2018 2:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Depends on what you mean by "proof", we sentence people to prison based on > proof of their crime. Not all proof is mathematical. And mathematical > proof is only relative to the axioms. > >

Re: Singularity -- when AI exceeds human intelligence

> On 26 Feb 2018, at 18:02, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:53:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Feb 2018, at 00:36, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:12:32 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 23 Feb 2