Thanks for reminding me. I didn't see them.
On Wednesday, 24 April 2019 18:15:41 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote:
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A festschrift for Vic?
Brent
On 4/25/2019 5:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
This list has been active for over 20 years (since 1998), but to my
knowledge there has never been an organized event for for members of
this list to meet and discuss topics in person.
Is this something any participants of
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 9:45 AM Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On 4/25/2019 1:42 PM, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote:
The one-and-only code of nature is a hidden entity. We may
"approximate" it with our own code (like the Marcolli code above), but
unless there is some sort of unforeseen revolution coming, that's the
way things will always be.
Right.?? But
This list has been active for over 20 years (since 1998), but to my
knowledge there has never been an organized event for for members of this
list to meet and discuss topics in person.
Is this something any participants of this list be interested in, attending
and perhaps presenting at, should suc
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 1:49 PM 'Cosmin Visan' <
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>> it would be perfectly correct to say I scratched my nose because I
>> wanted to, but it would be equally correct to say the nerves in my nose
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On 4/25/2019 9:30 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Can you derive today a dark-matter theory from The
Standard Model + General Relativity?
No, so what ? I just said theories change to explain new datas
or they propose test that gives rise to new results. If
On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 3:55:50 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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On 4/25/2019 7:50 AM, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 8:34:30 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le??jeu. 25 avr. 2019 15:23, > a
??crit??:
On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 1:18:44 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 a
On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 11:30:57 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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On Thursday, A
On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 10:34:25 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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You forgot the point before that where a perception triggered a memory
and the signal.
Brent
On 4/25/2019 3:38 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
You forgot the last point where consciousness initiate the signal.
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On 4/25/2019 12:00 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
Also airplanes can fly better than birds. Does that mean that
airplanes are alive ?
No, but it means flying is a physical process, not an quale of birds.
Nobody moves the goalpost of intelligence anywhere. Intelligence is
what
Cosmin: do you have any answers to the questions below?
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:15 AM Terren Suydam
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> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:03 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> For this you don't even need idealism. You can just take the brain
On 4/24/2019 11:33 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
Exactly. Those experiments are not valid. The "brain" does not exist.
But I exist. I think you are making a category confusion. You equate
by default brain with consciousness, and because brain doesn't exist,
you conclude that c
On Thursday, 25 April 2019 19:56:17 UTC+3, John Clark wrote:
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> And it would be perfectly correct to say I scratched my nose because I
> wanted to, but it would be equally correct to say the nerves in my nose
> triggered the nerves in my hand to move.
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Except that this is not what happ
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 3:00 AM 'Cosmin Visan' <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> *it happens all the time. How do you think you move your body if not by
> top-down influence in levels from consciousness ?*
The existence of a top-down explanation does not preclude the existence of
a b
On Thursday, 25 April 2019 18:21:33 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> I have given two definitions (third person self-reference and first person
> self-reference, and I have explained the link between (G* proves that t
What does "I survive a functional digital substitution at that level." mean
?
On Thursday, 25 April 2019 18:13:58 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 23 Apr 2019, at 20:06, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
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> So what does "computer science" has to do w
I don't understand anything. Where is consciousness in all that you said ?
On Thursday, 25 April 2019 18:04:49 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> That's just a random definition that doesn't me
That's how existence is: miraculous. And we have evidence for it: just get
out of the chair and move around the room and there's your evidence.
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Le jeu. 25 avr. 2019 à 17:44, a écrit :
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Le jeu. 25 avr. 20
On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 10:21:04 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>> Le jeu. 25 avr. 2019 à 15:23, a écrit :
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On Thursday, Ap
> On 24 Apr 2019, at 21:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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> On 4/24/2019 9:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> Until we get evidence for some matter (like observing a discrepancy between
>> the physics extracted from arithmetic)
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> number’s dream statistics. The logic of this gives a quantum logic, mincing
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> On 23 Apr 2019, at 20:41, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
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>> On 18 Apr 2019, at 12:17, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
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>> recursion.
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> That's precisely what self-reference is not. And I
Le jeu. 25 avr. 2019 à 16:50, a écrit :
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>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 1:18:44 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 2:4
> On 23 Apr 2019, at 20:06, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
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> So what does "computer science" has to do with consciousness ? It seems to me
> that you just make a random connection.
I assume the indexical digital mechanist hypothesis, which assume that there
exists a level of d
> On 23 Apr 2019, at 19:54, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
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> That's just a random definition that doesn't mean anything.
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> On Friday, 19 April 2019 12:27:18 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> With mechanism, the observer is just a number/machine, relative to some
> other numbers/
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>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 2:42 pm, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
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Le jeu. 25 avr. 2019 à 15:23, a écrit :
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>>> But it happens all the time. How do you think you move your
On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 1:18:44 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
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> On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 2:42 pm, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
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>> But it happens all the time. How do you think you move your body if not
>> by top-down influence in levels fro
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 8:38 pm, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> You forgot the last point where consciousness initiate the signal.
That would mean, at some point in this causal chain, something miraculous
happening, like a bone moving without any m
You forgot the last point where consciousness initiate the signal.
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 16:38, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> You are randomly extrapolating. I think this is called "strawman logical
> error". Things are not random. There are reasons for why consciousness only
> exercises its powers in certain con
On Tuesday, 23 April 2019 09:52:14 UTC+3, telmo wrote:
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> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, at 21:35, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote:
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> 1) You raise an interesting point. Can you give another example in that
> direction beside the qualia of good and bad ? Because you made me think
> about the
That's precisely what exists: experiences.
And there can be more said about existence. How I also detail in the book,
existance is first the act of self-reference of looking-back-at-itself and
thus creating the first object: "I am". Then because of emergence where you
have qualities inheritance
On Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:12:19 UTC+3, John Clark wrote:
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> Free Will?! In the entire history of philosoph
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