QFT is history

*Fay Dowker* @DowkerFay Apr 28 [ https://twitter.com/DowkerFay/status/1122550653287579649 ] "First of 3 lectures by Rafael Sorkin setting out the view that quantum theory is most fruitfully thought of as a generalization of classical stochastic processes and should be thought of in terms of hi

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 7:29:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they >> are theorems derived from the axioms. >> > > This is false. In every consistent system of axioms there are

Re: Precision

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 8:07:07 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 9:24:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> > On 12 May 2019, at 09:08, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> > >> > ‘I believe there are >> 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,468,044,717,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> > >>> Most scientists would say quarks are real, because they are part of >>> successful theories which have explanatory power.

Re: Precision

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 9:24:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 12 May 2019, at 09:08, Evgenii Rudnyi > > wrote: > > > > ‘I believe there are > 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,631,031,296 > > protons in the universe,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/14/2019 9:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: What is truth? (Pontus Pilate). Arithmetical statements are true if they are theorems derived from the axioms. This is false. In every consistent system of axioms there are statements that are true but cannot be derived from the axioms. Tha

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:04 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:34 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:07 PM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Do you not think counterfactuals are useful in evaluating theories? >>> >> >> Not particularly. What use is it to sp

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/14/2019 1:20 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2019, at 00:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: 3) Or maybe it's "what the brain does", as many physicalists like to say. My body as mass, because the atoms that make up my body

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It cannot >>> be derived from or defined by labels. >>> >>

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/14/2019 2:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/14/2019 9:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List mailto:

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/14/2019 9:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/13/20

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/14/2019 9:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It > cannot b

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tue, May 14, 2019, at 00:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 5/13/2019 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> 3) Or maybe it's "what the brain does", as many physicalists like to say. My >> body as mass, because the atoms that make up my body amount to that mass. >> What amoun

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:52:54 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 11:22 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:55:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> The physical model that says co

Re: for Cosmin

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 11:24:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 May 2019, at 20:24, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:25:38 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 May 2019, at 09:12, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> When someone says "consciou

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 5/13/2019 11:22 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:55:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: The physical model that says consciousness is the brain processing information by neuron's firing a

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:06 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 1:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 7:45 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I am not sure I have the time to delve into Muller's paper to find out >>> his reasons. He is clearly misguided, beca

Re: for Cosmin

> On 13 May 2019, at 20:24, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:25:38 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 May 2019, at 09:12, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> When someone says "consciousness is not a material thing" I think of Wile E. >> Coyote. >> >>

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 5/13/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > But then what is arithmetical truth? We have no label for it. It > > cannot be derived from or defined by labels. > > And it depends on t

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:34 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:07 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:34 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:08 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:30 PM Bruce Kellett < b

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 12 May 2019, at 20:38, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 12:31:12 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Concerning mathematical logic and theology, an incredible book is: > > Cohen J. Daniel, 2007. Equations from God, Pure Mathematics and Victorian > Faith, John Hopk

Re: Church's Thesis

> On 12 May 2019, at 20:17, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 12, 2019 at 10:49:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 May 2019, at 20:26, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 11:56:41 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 6 May 2019, at 01:

Re: Precision

> On 12 May 2019, at 09:08, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > ‘I believe there are > 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,631,031,296 > protons in the universe, and the same number of electrons.’ > > Eddington, Arthur S. 1939. The Philosophy

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 1:18:39 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/13/2019 10:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:55:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > The physical model that says consciousness is the brain processing >> information by neuron's firing at synapses..