On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:43 AM smitra wrote:
> On 13-08-2019 01:41, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:09 AM smitra wrote:
> >
> >> On 12-08-2019 08:29, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Look at this another way. It is just an
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:09 AM smitra wrote:
> On 12-08-2019 08:29, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> >
> > Look at this another way. It is just an illustration of
> > complementarity. Measuring which slit the photon went through is a
> > position measurement at the slits.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 7:36 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 12 Aug 2019, at 04:06, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>
> If you do not measure which slit the photon went through, then the
> superposition of slits is not broken by decoherence.
>
> Decoherence break things only if there i
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 7:30 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 11 Aug 2019, at 14:09, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> It is not a matter of the difference between collapse or no-collapse
> models -- it is a matter of the basic interpretation of what Everett's
> "relative states&q
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:09 PM Bruce Kellett wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:56 PM smitra wrote:
>
>> On 12-08-2019 04:06, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>> > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:48 AM Bruno Marchal
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > In the sense you
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:55 PM smitra wrote:
> On 11-08-2019 01:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 6:54 AM smitra wrote:
> >
> > Why not? There is only one computational state for the well-defined
> > algorithm at any particular momen
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:56 PM smitra wrote:
> On 12-08-2019 04:06, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:48 AM Bruno Marchal
> > wrote:
> >
> > In the sense you mention I am OK, but we have a slight vocabulary
> > problem. Not important, if you ag
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:48 AM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 9 Aug 2019, at 13:15, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:49 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 9 Aug 2019, at 04:07, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>> From: Bruno Marchal
>>
>> On
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:25 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 9 Aug 2019, at 02:59, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 6:50 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> > On 7 Aug 2019, at 21:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
>> everything-list@googlegr
On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 6:54 AM smitra wrote:
> On 10-08-2019 10:20, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 6:16 PM smitra wrote:
> >
> >> On 10-08-2019 09:49, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> But when you cannot reach, or ignore, som
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 6:16 PM smitra wrote:
> On 10-08-2019 09:49, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> >
> > But when you cannot reach, or ignore, some of this larger number of
> > degrees of freedom, you end up with a mixed state. That is how
> > decoherence reduces the
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 5:51 PM smitra wrote:
> On 09-08-2019 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> > From: SMITRA
> >
> >> On 09-08-2019 07:54, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What is nonsense? The fact that separate states for the two slits
> &g
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 5:34 PM smitra wrote:
> On 10-08-2019 00:53, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 3:22 AM Jason Resch
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, August 9, 2019, Bruce Kellett
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 9
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 3:22 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Friday, August 9, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:59 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What role do you see decoherence playing in consciousness? In other
>>> words, c
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:19 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> Contra-lucid dreams are impossible. Bruce could still claim that all
> dreams are lucid, (like day-dreams) and this corroborates his statement
> that he knows when he is awake, which indeed presupposes a non
> digital-mechanist theory of mi
From: *smitra* mailto:smi...@zonnet.nl>>
On 09-08-2019 07:54, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:16 PM smitra <mailto:smi...@zonnet.nl>> wrote:
>
>> On 09-08-2019 05:35, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>>> It is really quite simple. If a state i
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:39 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 9 Aug 2019, at 03:58, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> From: Bruno Marchal
>
> On 8 Aug 2019, at 13:59, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 8 Aug 2019, at 11:56,
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:04 PM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 1:49 AM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:59 PM Bruce Kellett
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:15 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>>
>>>>
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:59 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>
> What role do you see decoherence playing in consciousness? In other
> words, could you explain why shedding IR photons into an external
> environment necessary for the mind to be conscious?
>
Consciousness is a classical phenomenon since the
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:49 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 9 Aug 2019, at 04:07, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> From: Bruno Marchal
>
> On 8 Aug 2019, at 13:59, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> If the superposition are not relevan
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:59 PM Bruce Kellett wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:15 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>
>>
>> You say this is merely a way of representing what is happening (and
>> implying what I suppose to be happening is not really real), but then this
>> l
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:15 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 10:19 PM Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:16 PM smitra wrote:
> On 09-08-2019 05:35, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> > It is really quite simple. If a state is a sum of two components,
> > |psi> = (|A> + |B>), then we measure = ( +
> > |B>) = + + 2. If does not vanish (the
>
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:15 PM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 10:19 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 11:57 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:21 PM smitra wrote:
> On 09-08-2019 04:07, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> > From: BRUNO MARCHAL
> >
> >>> On 8 Aug 2019, at 13:59, Bruce Kellett
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Ma
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 11:57 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 4:50 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> A multitude of classical computational traces can be found in a quantum
>>>
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>
On 8 Aug 2019, at 13:59, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote:
If the superposition are not relevant, then I don’t have any m
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>
On 8 Aug 2019, at 13:59, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote:
On 8 Aug 2019, at 11:56, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkel
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 4:50 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:41 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 8/8/2019 1:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> >> Do you not see that there is only one intermediate state and the
>> >> super
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:35 AM Philip Thrift wrote:
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 11:41:59 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>>
>>
>> There is still only one state, one wave function.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
>
> How does "only one state" relate to what is observed in experiments, as
> when single particles ar
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 6:50 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> > On 7 Aug 2019, at 21:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/7/2019 6:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >> It is like the difference between the human existence and the human non
> existen
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 8:51 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 8 Aug 2019, at 11:56, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 7:21 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 8 Aug 2019, at 02:23, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:30 PM Bruno Marchal w
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 7:21 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 8 Aug 2019, at 02:23, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:30 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 7 Aug 2019, at 14:41, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>>
>> Superpositions are fine. It is just t
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:30 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2019, at 14:41, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>
> Superpositions are fine. It is just that they do not consist of "parallel
> worlds”.
>
>
> But then by QM linearity, it is easy to prepare a superposition with
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:40 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2019, at 15:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> What exactly is the difference between something that it is impossible in
> principle to detect and something that does not exist?
>
>
> It is like the difference betwee
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:52 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2019, at 15:18, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:48 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 7 Aug 2019, at 06:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>>
>> Unitary evolution is an assumpt
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:48 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2019, at 06:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>
> Unitary evolution is an assumption.
>
> Yes. It is called Quantum Mechanics (without collapse).
>
No, it is actually just the Schroedinger equation. This works in
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:39 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2019, at 02:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:04 AM smitra wrote:
>
>> On 07-08-2019 00:45, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>> > The trouble with that argument is that in any simulati
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:31 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2019, at 00:37, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:00 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> In something like Shor
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:54 PM smitra wrote:
> On 07-08-2019 02:19, Bruce Kellett wrote:
> >
> > It is called the "relative state" interpretation for a reason. The
> > entanglement with the environmental degrees of freedom that leads to
> > the recordin
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:38 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 6 Aug 2019, at 14:46, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>
> The problem here is that you are confusing the operation of the QC while
> it is doing the calculation with the operation of reading the output.
>
> Because I study
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:04 AM smitra wrote:
> On 07-08-2019 00:45, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> > The trouble with that argument is that in any simulation, you get to
> > set the rules of physics that obtain. There is then no guarantee that
> > the results of your simulat
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 6:23 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:00 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 8/6/2019 6:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>> If the QC does its task effectively, the output basis qbits will be put
>> int
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 5:03 AM smitra wrote:
> On 06-08-2019 20:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote:
> > On 8/6/2019 6:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >
> >>> If the QC does its task effectively, the output basis qbits will
> >>> be put into definite states,
> >>
> >> Relatively to the obs
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:00 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> On 8/6/2019 6:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> If the QC does its task effectively, the output basis qbits will be put
> into definite states,
>
>
> Relatively to the observer, but in the
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:13 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 6 Aug 2019, at 11:51, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 7:23 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 6 Aug 2019, at 10:28, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, you are just attempting to dive
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 7:23 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 6 Aug 2019, at 10:28, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>
> No, you are just attempting to divert attention away from the fact that
> you have no answer to my original argument that a quantum computer can
> quite reasonably do
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:05 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2019, at 15:12, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:37 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 5 Aug 2019, at 14:13, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 6:07 PM Bruno Marchal w
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:37 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2019, at 14:13, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 6:07 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 5 Aug 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jason Resch wro
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 6:07 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2019, at 03:27, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:33 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
>> everything-list@googlegr
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:33 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/2/2019 5:12 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
>> everything-
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:59 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:44 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:36 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
>>> ev
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:36 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/2/2019 1:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>> [Brent]One. It's a unitary evolution of the input state.
>>>
>>
>> We were speakin
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:41 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 1:08 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:On 7/29/2019 2:14 PM, Jason Resch
> wrote:
>
>> That is not a well-defined procedure -- too many ambiguities remain.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Wha
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:38 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:16 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 9:01 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 5:48 PM Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 2:32 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:08 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 6:32 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:41 AM Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 9:01 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 5:48 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 6:19 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If that is true, and further, if it is the case that "you" would have
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 6:32 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:41 AM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:43 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 6:29 PM Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 6:19 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:32 AM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:52 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 8:38 PM Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:49 PM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 8:09 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:10 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:44 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:43 PM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 6:29 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:44 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:24 AM Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>&
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:52 PM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 8:38 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:08 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:15 AM Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:08 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:15 AM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The third option, (the common sense idea), which says "Certain
>
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:08 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:15 AM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> It's an imprecise and ad-hoc revision to the theory to preserve a
>>> "s
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:10 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:44 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>> For example, you could, over time, change neuron by neuron, until
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:44 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:24 AM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>>
>> MWI is irrelevant to this discussion, since the branches in MWI are
>> completely disjoint and form separate coherent worlds. Without overlap,
>>
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 5:12 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2019, at 18:44, Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
> Personal identity theories based on psychological or bodily continuity can
> always be shown to break down, either by holding the body the same and
> changing the psyche, or holding the psyc
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:19 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 1:06 PM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, July 25, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>>
>>>> On F
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 1:12 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> On 7/25/2019 8:02 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:48 PM John Clark wrote:
>
>> When I was younger I read a lot of scie
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 1:06 PM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Thursday, July 25, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:44 AM Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, July 22, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 23,
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:48 PM John Clark wrote:
> When I was younger I read a lot of science fiction, I don't do it so much
> anymore and technically I didn't do it this time either but I did listen to
> a audio book called "We Are Legion We Are Bob" it's the first book of
> the Bobiverse tril
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:44 AM Jason Resch wrote:
> On Monday, July 22, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:41 PM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List &l
On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:16 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> On 7/24/2019 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> Note that the personal identity is not a transitive notion. Step 3
>> actually illustrates well this. I recall he cut and copy itself from
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 5:25 PM Telmo Menezes
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 07:08, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>
> I attended a presentation the other day of a psychologist who is
> investigating the sort of r
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Telmo Menezes
wrote:
>
> I attended a presentation the other day of a psychologist who is
> investigating the sort of relationships that people develop with voice
> assistants such as Alexa. She told the story of a woman who admits to being
> emotionally attached t
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 1:06 AM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 23 Jul 2019, at 06:45, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:30 PM Stathis Papaioannou
> wrote:
>
>>
>>>> The inputs serve to put the brain in a particular state, but the brain
>> c
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:41 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/22/2019 1:35 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
>>
>> Brain scans might have some bearing on whether not your brain can
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:30 PM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:39, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:19 AM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:13, Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>>
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:19 AM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:13, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:41 AM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 08:55, Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>&g
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:41 AM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 08:55, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 6:35 AM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 21:49, Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>&g
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:06 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> On 7/21/2019 11:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> These are good questions. That is why the 'closest continuer' theory has
> some merit. It gives
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 6:35 AM Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 21:49, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:37 PM Stathis Papaioannou
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 14:12, Bruce Kellett
>>> wrote:
>
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:43 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 22 Jul 2019, at 14:12, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:17 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 22 Jul 2019, at 08:09, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>>
>> Nozick's closest continuer theory
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:17 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 22 Jul 2019, at 08:09, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> Nozick's closest continuer theory was developed in the light of data from,
> and experience of, split brain individuals, which are the closest we can
> currently
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:09 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 22 Jul 2019, at 06:12, Bruce Kellett wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 9:55 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 21 Jul 2019, at 08:11, Dan Sonik wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:37 PM Stathis Papaioannou
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> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 at 14:12, Bruce Kellett wrote:
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>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 9:55 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> On 21 Jul 2019, at 08:11, Dan Sonik wrote:
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On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:28 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 22 Jul 2019, at 07:01, Bruce Kellett wrote:
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> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 8:16 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 19 Jul 2019, at 22:47, Dan Sonik wrote:
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> >I think the main "leap of faith" that y
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:22 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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> On 7/21/2019 9:12 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
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> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 9:55 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 21 Jul 2019, at 08:11, Dan Sonik wrote:
On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 8:16 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2019, at 22:47, Dan Sonik wrote:
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>I think the main "leap of faith" that you make (and many others simply
> can't, because it >appears absurd) is somehow thinking that the completed
> computations are already "out >there,”
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> If
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 9:55 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2019, at 08:11, Dan Sonik wrote:
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>> Or, if you don’t die, the only way to avoid the indeterminacy is by
>> claiming that you will feel to be at both city at once, but that will need
>> some telepathy hardly compatible
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:55 AM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2019, at 13:44, PGC wrote:
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> On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 1:53:11 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> I don’t understand well what you say.
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> Nobody, including yourself, understands what you say generally.
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> Just te
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:01 PM PGC wrote:
> On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 11:00:30 AM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 13 Jul 2019, at 12:31, PGC wrote:
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>> On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 10:41:00 AM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> I need a formula, and means to test it experimen
On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 11:09 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 11 Jul 2019, at 14:23, Bruce Kellett wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 8:40 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> > On 10 Jul 2019, at 23:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 8:40 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> > On 10 Jul 2019, at 23:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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> > On 7/10/2019 7:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >> The machine define by the two following equations Kxy = x and Sxyz =
On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:16 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 13:35, Bruce Kellett a
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>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:32 PM Quentin Anciaux
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>>>> But you spend more 'time' living between the ag
On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:32 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 09:19, Bruce Kellett a
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>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:11 PM Quentin Anciaux
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>>> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List &
On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:11 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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>> On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> >> On 28 Jun 2019, at 22:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
>> everyth
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:24 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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>> On 6/24/2019 12:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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> On 6/21/2019 4:57 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
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> From the first person point of view, after all, the probability is not
> known in advance.
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> I&
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 4:42 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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> On 6/21/2019 12:04 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
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> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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