On 02 Dec 2013, at 18:52, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Yes. After St-Thomas, most catholic theologian agree that God
cannot make 17 into a composite number. God obeys to logic,
So the God theory has zero explanatory power
But you do make the definite claim that God can change the laws of logic,
which would include the power to get rid of the law of noncontradiction,
no? Or has this discussion made you less certain about whether this would
be within God's power or not?
On Monday, December 2, 2013, Samiya Illias
On 02-Dec-2013, at 11:45 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 02 Dec 2013, at 18:46, Samiya Illias wrote:
Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages:
On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of Israel by
Pharoah, such that the male children
No, I just do not want to speculate about something I really have not given
much thought to or can contribute by 'thinking' on it. The little that I've
read of philosophers and theologians, discourages me as they only seem to go
round and round in their efforts to make sense of it.
Samiya
but priginally you responded to my comment about God and logic by saying This
is strange! What 'theism' it is if it limits God? which I took to mean you
were expressing a definite disagreement with the idea that God was
limited to acts consistent with the laws of logic. Did I misunderstand,
and
On 12/2/2013 9:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Dec 2013, at 13:39, Samiya Illias wrote:
I agree that God is consistent. In my understanding, God is perfect in every possible
meaning of the word.
Is God perfect for the children in Syria? (Easy question on an hard subject)
Here, you might
On 3 December 2013 09:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/2/2013 9:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Dec 2013, at 13:39, Samiya Illias wrote:
I agree that God is consistent. In my understanding, God is perfect in
every possible meaning of the word.
Is God perfect for the
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
Good question, and one which is repeatedly asked by many within and outside
the faith. God, in His complete knowledge, knows each and every soul and who
is worthy of eternal bliss and who not. However, according to a
God, to me, means an All-Powerful, Able to Do All, deity. That is my belief.
What I'm saying is that I do not have an answer to the question you pose, and
if I try, I'll simply be speculating about what I really do not know or have a
way of knowing. There may be a very good explanation for this
On 03-Dec-2013, at 5:42 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
Good question, and one which is repeatedly asked by many within and outside
the faith. God, in His complete knowledge, knows each and every
Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I would
say.
On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
How can a grown man be an atheist ?
An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
function without some form of government.
How
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:37 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I would
say.
I agree. People underestimate the complexity that can arise from
multiplying simple behaviours by many entities. Here's a beautiful example:
Nice video!
Yes even Fred Hoyle fell down on understanding what's possible with simple
rules and a large number of iterations.
On 2 December 2013 10:59, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:37 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Because there are no obvious
Government by the Rule of Law (of physics) I would say.
There is much much in the relation between the republican idea of society,
and pragmatical atheism of the contractualists Hobbes, rousseau, Locke
(let the state work without religion), that later became ideological
(atheism is the religion
Agnosticism should be the religion of the state.
On 2 December 2013 11:33, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
Government by the Rule of Law (of physics) I would say.
There is much much in the relation between the republican idea of society,
and pragmatical atheism of the
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote:
Government by the Rule of Law (of physics) I would say.
Ok, but here I think government is meant as some pre-existing complexity.
While the laws of physics are simpler than their outcome, the christian god
is more
To add to my last comment, the article at
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-modal/ mentions that Leibniz was
among those philosophers who distinguished between necessary and contingent
truths, and only granted God the power to change contingent ones. Here's a
relevant bit from the article:
On 2 December 2013 12:51, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
To add to my last comment, the article at
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-modal/ mentions that Leibniz
was among those philosophers who distinguished between necessary and
contingent truths, and only granted God the
This is strange! What 'theism' it is if it limits God? We believe that God is
the Reality, the Prime Originator, the Sustainer, and the Final Goal.
Everything is as God wills and allows it to be.
Sent from my iPhone
On 02-Dec-2013, at 4:13 AM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
Most
On 12/1/2013 9:11 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
This is strange! What 'theism' it is if it limits God? We believe that God is the
Reality, the Prime Originator, the Sustainer, and the Final Goal. Everything is as God
wills and allows it to be.
That's what you say you believe. But is there any
On 02 Dec 2013, at 00:13, Jesse Mazer wrote:
Most theistic philosophers and theologians who have considered the
issue agree that God did not create the laws of math and logic,
Yes. After St-Thomas, most catholic theologian agree that God cannot
make 17 into a composite number. God obeys
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