Re: Before Big Bang What?

2022-07-09 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
-of-the-universe-change-auid-2174 -Original Message- From: spudboy100 via Everything List To: goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com ; everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2022 3:17 pm Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? Understood, LC, but even statistically this'd be a one-off

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2022-07-05 Thread Philip Benjamin
otherwise. Philip From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 3:37 PM To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 4:14 PM Philip Benjamin mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > unl

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2022-07-05 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
. Doing it for The Team requires not belief but ethics.   -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2022 8:46 pm Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? Judaism at least teaches that one should do good because it's a virtue.  No for rewards

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2022-07-04 Thread Brent Meeker
On 7/4/2022 7:27 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: [*Philip Benjamin*] Science is about observation, experimentation, rational analysis and logical conclusion. The universe /as is/, is all that can be observed. Scientists have to accept with humility the limitations of finite minds to

Re: Before Big Bang What?

2022-07-04 Thread Lawrence Crowell
All self-referentially declared truth. LC On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 7:22:19 PM UTC-5 Samiya wrote: > Acknowledging the Perfection of our Lord > > No change should there be in the creation of Allah [Quran 30:30] > *Mission of the Messengers >

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2022-07-04 Thread Lawrence Crowell
the > observable universe. It cannot even define what a phone is!! It can only > experiment with it or on it. Incorrigible pride thy name is human heart! > > *Philip Benjamin * > > > > *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com *On > Behalf Of *John Clark > *Sent:* Monday, July

Re: Before Big Bang What?

2022-07-04 Thread Brent Meeker
Judaism at least teaches that one should do good because it's a virtue.  No for rewards either in life or afterward. Brent On 7/4/2022 5:22 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: Acknowledging the Perfection of our Lord No change should there be in the creation of Allah [Quran 30:30] *Mission of

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2022-07-04 Thread Samiya Illias
Acknowledging the Perfection of our Lord No change should there be in the creation of Allah [Quran 30:30] Mission of the Messengers - XXIX Abstract To do تَسْبِيحَ of Allah means to acknowledge, declare, and/or celebrate that Allah is absolutely perfect. Allah creates perfectly and

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2022-07-04 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 4:14 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: *> unlike pagan religions of the world* [blah blah] I don't get it, every post from you is about pagans, but pagans are almost as dull and downright silly as Christians and Muslims. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

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2022-07-04 Thread Philip Benjamin
ooglegroups.com> Subject: RE: Before Big Bang What? [Philip Benjamin] Science is about observation, experimentation, rational analysis and logical conclusion. The universe as is, is all that can be observed. Scientists have to accept with humility the limitations of finite minds to unde

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2022-07-04 Thread Philip Benjamin
Cc: Lawrence Crowell Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:43 PM Samiya Illias mailto:samiyaill...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I think a more immediate and useful question is: What is the purpose of > humans (Adam and his progeny)? According to the religi

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2022-07-04 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2022 8:11 am Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? I do not waste my neural energy on these idle speculations. I do not engage in silly ideas of Kardashev civilization types, Dyson spheres, Tipler-like cosmo-eschatology and so forth. I suppose those who have reached some

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2022-07-04 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
: Mon, Jul 4, 2022 7:51 am Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? No Boltzmann brains (BBs). The instability of the de Sitter (dS) vacuum makes the probability for BBs very small. The problem with the BB is that if they exist we may not know whether we are BBs, or that I am a BB and all other people

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2022-07-04 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:43 PM Samiya Illias wrote: *> I think a more immediate and useful question is: What is the purpose of > humans (Adam and his progeny)?* According to the religious, the purpose of humanity is to praise God because there is nothing God loves more than an endless 24/7

Re: Before Big Bang What?

2022-07-04 Thread Lawrence Crowell
rillion years, if the > astronomers are correct? > > Well, there's a Go for you. It's basically not a What Would Jesus Do, but > instead a How would Jesus do it?? > > For me, you'd need not to be "Saved", but rather you are being saved, as > in RAID 5,000,000.

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2022-07-04 Thread Lawrence Crowell
t sounds very healthy. No Problemo. Rock on! > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Lawrence Crowell > To: Everything List > Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2022 8:52 am > Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? > > I remember seeing this paper. I have not yet read it. I will

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2022-07-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
RAID 5,000,000.  -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2022 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? "It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now in exchange for life after death. Even corpo

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2022-07-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
claiming that "me neighbors a witch cause me pig gave sour milk!"  As always suspicious of me neighbor,Spud (sniffling) -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Fri, Jul 1, 2022 10:07 am Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? In the end one can as

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2022-07-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
he species to survive is enough of a challenge.  -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2022 8:42 am Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? There was no Adam. The story of Adam and Eve etc. is pure myth. It is all a big pigeon drop scam. The pigeon

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2022-07-03 Thread Brent Meeker
"It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now in exchange for life after death. Even corporations with all their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous."      Gloria Steinem On 7/3/2022 5:42 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: There was no Adam. The story of

Re: Before Big Bang What?

2022-07-03 Thread Lawrence Crowell
njoy what > you're doing as opposed to grubby, snot covered peasants, such as myself, > busy claiming that "me neighbors a witch cause me pig gave sour milk!" > > As always suspicious of me neighbor, > Spud (sniffling) > > -----Original Message- > From:

Re: Before Big Bang What?

2022-07-03 Thread Lawrence Crowell
There was no Adam. The story of Adam and Eve etc. is pure myth. It is all a big pigeon drop scam. The pigeon drop scam is where somebody convinces another there is a grand some of money to be had if the person just renders 1/10 that amount. Of course, if the dupe pays his money nothing is

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2022-07-02 Thread Samiya Illias
I think a more immediate and useful question is: What is the purpose of humans (Adam and his progeny)? > On 03-Jul-2022, at 5:55 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > In the end one can ask, "What is the purpose of God (Allah or Ha Shem etc)?" -- You received this message

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2022-07-02 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
ing that "me neighbors a witch cause me pig gave sour milk!"  As always suspicious of me neighbor,Spud (sniffling) -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Fri, Jul 1, 2022 10:07 am Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? In the end one can ask,

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2022-07-01 Thread Lawrence Crowell
In the end one can ask, "What is the purpose of God (Allah or Ha Shem etc)?" It is similar to chasing the existential core down an infinite rabbit hole, maybe to become Dostoyevsky's underground man. There are no possible answers that can be rationally derived. Monotheist religions posit a

Re: Before Big Bang What?

2022-06-30 Thread Samiya Illias
Space: Before and Beyond Abstract The Quran hints on the existence of something prior to the creation of the heavens and earth. Full Text وَمَا خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاءَ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا لَاعِبِينَ لَوْ أَرَدْنَا أَن نَّتَّخِذَ لَهْوًا لَّاتَّخَذْنَاهُ مِن لَّدُنَّا إِن كُنَّا

Re: Before Big Bang What?

2022-06-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
I do not want to get into this terribly much, not because of lack of interest (this is connected to what I work on) but more because a sense of futility. There is one difficulty with all of this; inflation stretched space into a homogenous space that bears little data concerning what came

Before Big Bang What?

2022-06-29 Thread Philip Benjamin
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/what-scientists-think-the-universe-was-like-before-the-big-bang/ [Sean Carroll & Jennifer Chen] "But is it possible that something could have existed before the Big Bang? After all, something couldn't have come from nothing, right? It turns out the