Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 21:31, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:24:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Free-Will discussion

2013-04-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'whatsons...@gmail.com'); wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:22:10 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Where do you get the

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-12 Thread John Mikes
Craig: ...If we are sitting inside of an airplane, it could be said that we don't 'directly experience' the airplane, as we might not be able to tell the difference, if we woke up there, between the seats on a plane and the seats on a train. If a piece of the plane fell off though, then we would

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 12, 2013 4:58:31 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: Craig: ...If we are sitting inside of an airplane, it could be said that we don't 'directly experience' the airplane, as we might not be able to tell the difference, if we woke up there, between the seats on a plane and the seats

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your brain function, and aware of them in a way which is a million times more

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:24:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Apr 2013, at 17:28, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:07:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 17:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Where do you get the idea that subjective events cannot repeat? It seems another thing that you've just made up, with no rational justification. Subjective events cannot literally repeat for the same reason that

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 6, 2013 6:49:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your brain function, and aware of them in a way which is a million times more detailed than any fMRI could ever be. No,

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Apr 2013, at 01:51, Craig Weinberg wrote: You already are aware of the relevant aspects of your brain function, and aware of them in a way which is a million times more detailed than any fMRI could ever be. No, you bet on them. You are not aware of your brain, in any direct way.

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-08 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It does mean you could replicate World War II if you replicate the complex arrangement of matter. It does not mean you would necessarily understand it if you replicated it, any more than a photocopier understands the

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Because it is an observed fact that consciousness is associated with certain complex arrangements of matter. So what? World War II was associated with certain complex arrangements of matter also, but that doesn't

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:46:04 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Because it is an observed fact that consciousness is associated with certain complex arrangements of matter. So what? World War II

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-06 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:01:49 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, April 5, 2013 6:47:00 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Craig Weinberg

Free-Will discussion

2013-04-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'whatsons...@gmail.com'); wrote: Why are all of your actions obviously due to subconscious influences? If that were the case why would personal awareness exist? Your actions are due to physical

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, April 5, 2013 6:47:00 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Why are all of your actions obviously due to subconscious influences? If that were the case why would personal awareness exist? Your actions are

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Stathis wrote: *I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced* * * And how do you know that you are *not* coerced? your mind works

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes jam...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Stathis wrote: *I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I exercise my free will when I make a choice without being

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com wrote: Stathis wrote: *I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will:

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:14:27 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes jam...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-03-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:26:23 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: Stathis wrote: *I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced* * * And how do you know that you are *not* coerced? your mind works on both