Fascinating ....Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-17 Thread Roger
8/17/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-16, 12:52:55 Subject: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain

Re: Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-17 Thread Roger
John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-15, 13:47:56 Subject: Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Roger wrote: ? > 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers cannot, Computers can distinguish between

Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-17 Thread Roger
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/17/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-15, 01:40:44 Subject: Re: Severe limitat

Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
verything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-15, 03:30:22 Subject: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:29, Roger wrote: Hi John Clark 1) I can experiencre redness (a qua

Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-16 Thread Roger
the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-15, 03:30:22 Subject: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:29, Roger wrote: Hi John Clark 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers c

Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-15 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Roger wrote: > > > And any creative act comes out of the blue if it is truly creative (new). > Improved jazs would be a good example of that. I believe that > John Coltrane's solos came out of the Platonic world. > > Roger , rclo...@verizon.net > > Hi Roger, Jazz

Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-15 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Roger wrote: > > 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers > cannot, > Computers can distinguish between red and blue just like you can. And I know that I can but I have no direct evidence that either you or a computer can experience

Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
nd are very recent. Better to reason from the (mathematical, abstract) definition of (digital) machine. Bruno Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/14/2012 - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-12, 13:24:42 Subject: Re: Severe limitation

Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:01:41 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: >> >> Roger, >> >> You say computers are quantitative instruments which cannot have a self >> or feelings, but might you be attributing things at the wrong level? For >> exampl

Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:01:41 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > > Roger, > > You say computers are quantitative instruments which cannot have a self or > feelings, but might you be attributing things at the wrong level? For > example, a computer can simulate some particle interactions, a suffici

Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Roger wrote: > Hi John Clark > > > 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers > cannot, > all they can know are 0s and 1s. > This statement suggests to me that you are not familiar with the levels of abstraction that are common in comp

Re: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-14 Thread Roger
that John Coltrane's solos came out of the Platonic world. Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/14/2012 - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-12, 13:24:42 Subject: Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model On Sat, Aug 1

Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-12 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Roger wrote: > Computers are quantitative instruments and so cannot have a self or > feelings > Do you have any way of proving that isn't also true of your fellow human beings? I don't. > intution is non-computable > Not true. Statistical laws and rules of thum

Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Aug 2012, at 12:47, Roger wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona Agreed. Computers are quantitative instruments and so cannot have a self or feelings, which are qualitative. And intution is non-computable IMHO. Computer have a notion of self. I can explain someday (I already have, and it is

Re: Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-11 Thread Jason Resch
Roger, You say computers are quantitative instruments which cannot have a self or feelings, but might you be attributing things at the wrong level? For example, a computer can simulate some particle interactions, a sufficiently big computer could simulate the behavior of any arbitrarily large amo

Severe limitations of a computer as a brain model

2012-08-11 Thread Roger
Hi Alberto G. Corona Agreed. Computers are quantitative instruments and so cannot have a self or feelings, which are qualitative. And intution is non-computable IMHO. Roger , rclo...@verizon.net 8/11/2012 - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything