8/17/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything
could function."
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John Clark
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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Roger wrote:
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> 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers cannot,
Computers can distinguish between
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8/17/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything
could function."
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verything could function."
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On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:29, Roger wrote:
Hi John Clark
1) I can experiencre redness (a qua
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On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:29, Roger wrote:
Hi John Clark
1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers c
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Roger wrote:
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> And any creative act comes out of the blue if it is truly creative (new).
> Improved jazs would be a good example of that. I believe that
> John Coltrane's solos came out of the Platonic world.
>
> Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
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Hi Roger,
Jazz
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Roger wrote:
> > 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers
> cannot,
>
Computers can distinguish between red and blue just like you can. And I
know that I can but I have no direct evidence that either you or a computer
can experience
nd are
very recent. Better to reason from the (mathematical, abstract)
definition of (digital) machine.
Bruno
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8/14/2012
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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> On Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:01:41 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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>> Roger,
>>
>> You say computers are quantitative instruments which cannot have a self
>> or feelings, but might you be attributing things at the wrong level? For
>> exampl
On Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:01:41 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
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> Roger,
>
> You say computers are quantitative instruments which cannot have a self or
> feelings, but might you be attributing things at the wrong level? For
> example, a computer can simulate some particle interactions, a suffici
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Roger wrote:
> Hi John Clark
>
>
> 1) I can experiencre redness (a qualitative property) while computers
> cannot,
> all they can know are 0s and 1s.
>
This statement suggests to me that you are not familiar with the levels of
abstraction that are common in comp
that
John Coltrane's solos came out of the Platonic world.
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On Sat, Aug 1
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Roger wrote:
> Computers are quantitative instruments and so cannot have a self or
> feelings
>
Do you have any way of proving that isn't also true of your fellow human
beings? I don't.
> intution is non-computable
>
Not true. Statistical laws and rules of thum
On 11 Aug 2012, at 12:47, Roger wrote:
Hi Alberto G. Corona
Agreed. Computers are quantitative instruments and so cannot have a
self or
feelings, which are qualitative. And intution is non-computable IMHO.
Computer have a notion of self. I can explain someday (I already have,
and it is
Roger,
You say computers are quantitative instruments which cannot have a self or
feelings, but might you be attributing things at the wrong level? For
example, a computer can simulate some particle interactions, a sufficiently
big computer could simulate the behavior of any arbitrarily large amo
Hi Alberto G. Corona
Agreed. Computers are quantitative instruments and so cannot have a self or
feelings, which are qualitative. And intution is non-computable IMHO.
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8/11/2012
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