Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On 07 May 2012, at 19:42, John Clark wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 Craig Weinberg wrote: >>>I'm not an engineer. >> I know, that's part of the problem. > I think it's part of the solution. As the saying goes, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. It's far easier to ge

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 07 May 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote: On 5/7/2012 10:35 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.05.2012 22:06 meekerdb said the following: On 5/6/2012 10:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 05.05.2012 23:34 meekerdb said the following: ... I would agree with that. Rome fell for other, more materi

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 07 May 2012, at 22:21, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 7, 3:37 pm, meekerdb wrote: On 5/7/2012 11:50 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: It's like saying that that apes didn't evolve as hominids did, therefore apes are inherently an evolutionary dead end. Logic and scholasticism are what science is m

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > As for the remark about nothingness having only one way of being and there > being a lot more ways of existing, it's cute, but it's sophistry. Non-being > is not a countable way of being. > > > I agree. > Hi Bruno, what do you agree with exa

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On May 7, 5:22 pm, meekerdb wrote: > On 5/7/2012 2:07 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On May 7, 3:44 pm, meekerdb  wrote: > >> On 5/7/2012 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >>> On May 7, 1:25 pm, meekerdb    wrote: > The 'laws' of logic are just the rules of language that ensure we don't >

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On 08 May 2012, at 11:49, R AM wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: As for the remark about nothingness having only one way of being and there being a lot more ways of existing, it's cute, but it's sophistry. Non-being is not a countable way of being. I agree.

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On 5/7/2012 9:16 AM, R AM wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Stephen P. King > wrote: Hi Stephen, - If nothing has no properties, and a limitation is considered a property, then "nothing" cannot have any limitations, including the limitation of gen

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 07.05.2012 22:19 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 12:29 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 20:11 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 10:42 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 04:17 meekerdb said the following: On 5/6/2012 5:47 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 6, 4:06

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 07.05.2012 21:49 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 12:09 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 19:52 John Clark said the following: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > To me the logic of trinity is perverse in the same extent as quantum mechanics. Perverse

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 07.05.2012 22:21 Craig Weinberg said the following: On May 7, 3:37 pm, meekerdb wrote: ... Sure science grew out of Christianity, out of the decay and fragmentation of Christianity. When Christianity was strong and in control is what we call "The Dark Ages". Now that it is no longer in

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On May 8, 2:17 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 07.05.2012 22:21 Craig Weinberg said the following: > > > On May 7, 3:37 pm, meekerdb  wrote: > > ... > > > > >> Sure science grew out of Christianity, out of the decay and fragmentation > >> of Christianity. > >> When Christianity was strong and in c

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

John: who told you that "anything" evolved? especially: from nothing? that is our human stupidity presuming a world according to our figments. We "think" in our terms, i.e. if something seems to be, it had to 'evolve'. (I almost wrote: 'be created'!) We 'think' there is something. Do we have the ca

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 5/8/2012 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 8, 2:17 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 22:21 Craig Weinberg said the following: On May 7, 3:37 pm, meekerdbwrote: ... Sure science grew out of Christianity, out of the decay and fragmentation of Christianity. When Christian

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

Ricardo: good text! I may add to it: "Who created Nothing? - of course: Nobody". (The ancient joke of Odysseus towards Polyphemos: 'Nobody' has hurt me). Just one thing: if it contains (includes) EMPTY SPACE, it includes space, it is not nothing. And please, do not forget about my adage in the pre

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 5/8/2012 11:09 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 21:49 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 12:09 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 19:52 John Clark said the following: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > To me the logic of trinity is perverse in the sa

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On 5/8/2012 12:46 PM, John Mikes wrote: Ricardo: good text! I may add to it: "Who created Nothing? - of course: Nobody". (The ancient joke of Odysseus towards Polyphemos: 'Nobody' has hurt me). Just one thing: if it contains (includes) EMPTY SPACE, it includes space, it is not nothing. And plea

Re: Free will in MWI

Stathis: what's your definition? - JM On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > I have started listening to Beginning of Infinity and joined the > discussion > > list for the book. Right now there is a discussion there

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On May 8, 3:41 pm, meekerdb wrote: > On 5/8/2012 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On May 8, 2:17 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi  wrote: > >> On 07.05.2012 22:21 Craig Weinberg said the following: > > >>> On May 7, 3:37 pm, meekerdb    wrote: > >> ... > > Sure science grew out of Chri

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > Some people claim that something cannot come from "nothing". I think they > are hanging a property on it. > > > Hi Ricardo, > > Yes and some other people claim that something can indeed come out of > nothing - so long as that something

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 7:43 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, May 6, 2012 wrote: > > > There are many ways something can exist, but just one of nothing >> existing. Therefore, "nothing" is less likely :-) >> > > EXCELLENT! I wish I'd said that; Picasso said good artists borrow but > great artist

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:46 PM, John Mikes wrote: > Ricardo: > good text! I may add to it: > "Who created Nothing? - of course: Nobody". (The ancient joke of Odysseus > towards Polyphemos: 'Nobody' has hurt me). > > Just one thing: if it contains (includes) EMPTY SPACE, it includes space, > it is

Re: Free will in MWI

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, John Mikes wrote: > Stathis: what's your definition? - JM > > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: >> >> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> > I have started listening to Beginning of Infinity and joined the >> > discu

Re: Free will in MWI

On 5/8/2012 4:24 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, John Mikes wrote: Stathis: what's your definition? - JM On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I have started listening to Beginning of

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

>There is an interesting point here, although probably not what you intended. >What you say is true, you cannot trace it all the way back to absolute >nothing, >because there is no reverse physical process that transforms >something into "nothing" (at least, not into absolute nothing). Or >eq

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

The problem is that physicists have not yet succeed in marrying QM and GR, which is needed to get a quantum theory of space-time. You can bet on strings or on loop gravity though, or on the Dewitt-Wheeler equation, which, actually make physical time vanishing completely from the big picture. It

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On May 8, 8:36 pm, Pierz wrote: > Yeah OK fine, so maybe I'm one turtle too high! Let's just say arithemetic > then. Why does it exist? Because. Try it this way instead: Why does existence have causality? To make more sense. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to th

Re: Free will in MWI

On May 8, 8:22 pm, meekerdb wrote: > > So if carefully weigh my options and decide on one it's not free will?  I'd > say free will > is making any choice that is not coerced by another agent. We have the concept of 'breaking someone's will', which leads me to think that even being coerced conta

Re: Free will in MWI

On 5/8/2012 6:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 8, 8:22 pm, meekerdb wrote: So if carefully weigh my options and decide on one it's not free will? I'd say free will is making any choice that is not coerced by another agent. We have the concept of 'breaking someone's will', which leads me

Re: A crazy thoughts about structure of Electron.

Electron’s fine structure constant. =. It is interesting to understand the Sommerfeld formula: a= e^2 / h*c, where {a} is fine structure constant: 1/137 Feynman expressed (a ) quantity as ‘ by the god given damnation to all physicists ‘. But the fine structure constant is not independ

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 08 May 2012, at 20:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 21:49 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 12:09 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 19:52 John Clark said the following: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > To me the logic of trinity is perverse i

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 08 May 2012, at 20:17, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 22:21 Craig Weinberg said the following: On May 7, 3:37 pm, meekerdb wrote: ... Sure science grew out of Christianity, out of the decay and fragmentation of Christianity. When Christianity was strong and in control is what w

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

On 08 May 2012, at 21:41, meekerdb wrote: On 5/8/2012 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 8, 2:17 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 22:21 Craig Weinberg said the following: On May 7, 3:37 pm, meekerdb wrote: ... Sure science grew out of Christianity, out of the decay and f

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

On 08 May 2012, at 21:46, John Mikes wrote: Ricardo: good text! I may add to it: "Who created Nothing? - of course: Nobody". (The ancient joke of Odysseus towards Polyphemos: 'Nobody' has hurt me). Just one thing: if it contains (includes) EMPTY SPACE, it includes space, it is not nothing