A Dialog comparing Comp with Leibniz's metaphysics

2012-09-01 Thread Roger Clough
A Dialog comparing Comp with Leibniz's metaphysics Abstract The principal conclusion of this discussion is that there is a striking similarity between comp and the metaphysics of Leibniz, for example that the natural numbers of comp are indeed monads, but a critical difference is that not

Re: The biological advantages of being awestruck

2012-09-01 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Thanks for sharing. What is left out sadly, is the technical aspect of how to open oneself to that state, when one does not climb mountains or can afford space shuttle flights (or even want a bit of variety?). A possible answer: techné of ecstasy or how to escape from oneself/appearance and

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Aug 2012, at 19:39, meekerdb wrote: On 8/31/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 18:56, meekerdb wrote: On 8/30/2012 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 17:16, Brian Tenneson wrote: Thinking implies a progression of time. So perhaps it is equally

Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-09-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Aug 2012, at 19:42, meekerdb wrote: On 8/31/2012 1:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 19:19, meekerdb wrote: On 8/30/2012 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Aug 2012, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote: From experience I know people tend not to adopt it, but let me

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
I forgot some words: (of computations, in bold and underlined below). Sorry. On 01 Sep 2012, at 16:15, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Aug 2012, at 19:39, meekerdb wrote: On 8/31/2012 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 18:56, meekerdb wrote: On 8/30/2012 9:22 AM, Bruno

Re: The biological advantages of being awestruck

2012-09-01 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Not bad as a religious show. Yes, dilettantish emphathizing scientific terms are taking the role of priests, and bright telescope images of the universe are incresingly taking the place of the tinsel of the temples. The bright screen of the Iphones going from the pocket to the hand and back

Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-09-01 Thread Alberto G. Corona
*Where is the revulsion, disgust, and blame - the stigma and shaming...the deep and violent prejudices? Surely they are not found in the banal evils of game theory. ** * In the book I referred, it is described the evolutionary role of sentiments. Sentiments are the result of mostly unconscious

Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-09-01 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/8/31 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 8/30/2012 2:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, August 30, 2012 4:47:19 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: There is a human nature, and therefore a social nature with invariants. in computational terms, the human mind is a collection or

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-01 Thread meekerdb
On 9/1/2012 7:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Yes, that is for the first person time order, and thus for the physical time too, as the whole physics emerges from the first person plural indeterminacy. But to define computation, we need a thrid person time, and for this one, as the UD illustrates,

Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-09-01 Thread meekerdb
On 9/1/2012 7:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Aug 2012, at 19:42, meekerdb wrote: On 8/31/2012 1:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 19:19, meekerdb wrote: On 8/30/2012 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Aug 2012, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote: From experience I know people

Re: While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-09-01 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: While computers are causal Yes. perception is not causal. Nothing that living things do is causal. Nothing??? So when you're running and perceive a brick wall directly in front of you getting larger by the second

Re: While computers are causal, life is not causal.

2012-09-01 Thread John Mikes
John C I usually appreciate your ways... not in the post below. The word 'causal' is ambiguous: in (my) deterministic agnosticism everything is entailed (var: causal) but we know only part of the circumstances of entailment. Even what we know is not so sure 'fits' the infinite complexity BEYOND

Re: What is thinking ?

2012-09-01 Thread John Mikes
Bruno wrote: *Intuitively it is the limit of the number going through your actual state in bigger and bigger finite portions of the UD*. Technically you need the logic S4grz1, Z1* and X1* to define it properly. We know it is exists if comp is correct, and so we an use it to test comp. The measure