Re: Re: Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No.

Hi Bruno Marchal Thanks very much. Then could we not simply continue your train of thought to say that 1) all universal Turing machines require an extraneous UTM to interpret them, etc. etc. etc. 2) this would extend the number of material parts needed (to process code) to infinity, requirin

Re: Re: Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No.

Hi Bruno Marchal 1) Your concept of relative bits probably deflates my proposed idea, but I don't understand what they are. Maybe you can give a brief explanation. 2) Also, I am aware that due to networks, a brain can process an almost infinite amount of information. But presumably that estimat

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

Hi Stephen, On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 12/20/2012 6:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi Roger, > > >> I accidentally sent the previous email before >> I was done, sorry. Please consider this more complete version >> of the intended whole: >> >> Hi Telmo, >> >>

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

Hi Jason, On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> Hi Roger, >> >> >>> I accidentally sent the previous email before >>> I was done, sorry. Please consider this more complete version >>> of the intended whole: >>> >>>

Re: Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No.

On 21 Dec 2012, at 22:17, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > The infinite set of natural numbers is not stored on anything, Which causes no problem because there is not a infinite number of anything in the observable universe, probably not even poi

Re: More on reconstruction from brain activity

Hi Roger, On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Telmo Menezes > > You're right, I got the scanning part all wrong. > > You can find sites that may tell more by Googling on > > Reconstruction from brain activity > > Apparently they use complex brain modelling programs > with

Re: Against Mechanism

On 20 Dec 2012, at 22:18, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> You are asking about the present first person point of view of someone, > NO. read the question: it is about a future first personal event. That is totally false! The Helsinki man is i

Re: Can the physical brain possibly store our memories ? No.

Hi Bruno, > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > > > The infinite set of natural numbers is not stored on anything, >> > > Which causes no problem because there is not a infinite number of anything > in the observable universe, probably not even points in space. > > > Perhaps,

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On 12/22/2012 7:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Stephen, On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 12/20/2012 6:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Roger, I accidentally sent the previous email before I was done, sorry. Plea

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On 12/22/2012 7:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: We defeat Dennett by showing that the regress cannot occur when there are physical resources required by the computations for each level of the recursion. We can cutoff recursions in our algorithms with code: if count of loops is 10, st

Re: Against Mechanism

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> In a world with duplicating chambers there is no such thing as "the" >> future 1p view. >> > > Of course there is. There are two such future 1-view. > Then as I said, there is no such thing as "the" future 1p view, there is only "a" future 1p vie

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > Hi Jason, > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >>> Hi Roger, >>> >>> I accidentally sent the previous email before I was done, sorry. Please c

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> On 12/20/2012 6:17 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> >>> I accidentally sent the previous email before >>> I was done, sorry. Please consider this mo

Re: Against Mechanism

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 12:54 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> >> In a world with duplicating chambers there is no such thing as "the" >>> future 1p view. >>> >> >> Of course there is. There are two such future 1-view. >> > > Then as I said, there is no

Re: Against Mechanism

I meant to write: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > Your error is that you are generalizing this rule beyond its domain and > you wrongly conclude it means there can never be any *difference in > the*experimental outcome regardless of whether it is analyzed and observed by

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

On 12/22/2012 3:35 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Hal Ruhl Sure, wealth inequality has gotten linearly greater, but the economy has grown much faster (exponentially), so we are all getting richer, fairness or not. That only means *some* of us are getting richer, specifically those that are rich.

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On 12/22/2012 11:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: As to how computation might lead to consciousness, I think it helps to start with a well-defined definition of consciousness. Take dictionary.com 's definition: "awareness of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundin

Re: Against Mechanism

On 12/22/2012 11:56 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Deutsch et al. have solved the probability problem. I don't think so. If you are referring to his decision analysis, it only seems to work for simple binary choices - QM predicts probabilities that are often irrational numbers. Gleason's theorem

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 2:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/22/2012 11:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > As to how computation might lead to consciousness, I think it helps to > start with a well-defined definition of consciousness. Take > dictionary.com's definition: > "awareness of one's own existen

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On 12/22/2012 1:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 2:57 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/22/2012 11:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: As to how computation might lead to consciousness, I think it helps to start with a well-defined definition of con

Re: Why economic inequality and environmental degradation are likely to improve

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:06:24 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 12/20/2012 7:20 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > I just wonder what your gonna do when they are all gone... >> > > Live in peace? Grow food? That's the thing, we'll never know what we might > actually want to do as

Re: Definition of a liberal

On Friday, December 21, 2012 11:03:57 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Stephen P. King > > A liberal is a person who fears that somehow, somewhere, > somebody has secretly figured out a way to do something on their own. > > A liberal is a person who believes that you need a blueprint > to ti

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/22/2012 1:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 2:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/22/2012 11:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> As to how computation might lead to consciousness, I think it helps to >> start with a wel

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On 12/22/2012 5:10 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/22/2012 1:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 2:57 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/22/2012 11:36 AM, Jason

Re: How visual images are produced in the brain. Was Dennett right after all ?

On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/22/2012 5:10 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/22/2012 1:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 2:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 12/22/2012 11:36 AM, Ja