Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2014, at 18:01, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: It formed increasingly high-level associations between bundles of sensory data, eventually also

Re: Tegmark and UDA

2014-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2014, at 00:37, Ronald Held wrote: Assuming chaotic inflation there is no consensus that the multiverse is past infinite but some papers have try to show it is do. Interesting. Have some links or references? Thanks. Bruno Ronald -- You received this message because you

Re: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered

2014-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2014, at 23:07, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:12:33 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: It looks like you have not yet grasped the UDA. My post was not about the UDA; your comments are appreciated but they miss the mark widely. You post was not on UDA, but I

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, If only dead wood is cut for firewood and cooking you are just recycling a sustainable resource. Unlike coal and oil, firewood quickly and sustainably regenerates. And basically burning dead wood is just speeding up the natural process of the decay of dead trees. So burning dead wood

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Spud, But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet, the ecosystem, and the human species itself. Assuming that increasing technology will somehow solve the problem is, I fear, naive. It is precisely the use of more and more powerful technology that has resulted in

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
You are picking up the inconsistencies given off by the Greens (red greens) and the ruling class that funds them. If we are doomed as even he NASA funded report assures us, then what's the use? If the calamity is not upon us, then we have time to rationally develop and install the clean and

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
I fear the control they want only exist in your mind... You should consult... seriously. You live in a delusional paranoia. 2014-03-21 12:20 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com: You are picking up the inconsistencies given off by the Greens (red greens) and the ruling class that funds them. If we

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:16 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Tackling thing technically will save lots or preaching, in emails, and public speaking. For example, if you cook all your food by wood-gathering, you are more likely to disrupt the forests by your gatherings. If you have access to

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Spud, But reducing human overpopulation IS the main problem facing the planet, the ecosystem, and the human species itself. Assuming that increasing technology will somehow solve the problem is, I fear, naive. It is

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's Rich Client Platform but that doesn't sound quite right. It must be pretty obscure, Wikipedia has never heard of RCP

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's Rich Client Platform but that doesn't sound quite right.

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
Well, as far as the impact of the extremely wealthy, on our politics, I would simply point to this Obama-friendly blog, which has been spun off from the Washington Post, also Obama friendly. http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/barach-obama-tech-ceos-nsa-104881.html?hp=l1 - a few other

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google seems to think it's Rich Client Platform but that doesn't sound

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:52 GMT+01:00 Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for, Google

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-21 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:48:30 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:01:43 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: It

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The thing I most want to know about RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-21 17:59 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: The

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, Sure, I'm well aware of these predictions, but my point is that many necessary global resources are being rapidly depleted by just the current human population, so even that is not sustainable. In general the standard demographic predictions don't pay much attention to the dwindling

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 21, 2014 1:04:46 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:48:30 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:01:43 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-21 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:42:13 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm not so much interested in defining CTM, as in exploding the assumptions from which CTM and other mechanistic, information-theoretical models of consciousness arise. OK. Would you mind defining which assumptions

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-21 Thread John Clark
On 18 Mar 2014, at 22:33, LizR wrote: Am I right in assuming that in a quantum mechanical universe you can trace the history backwards? Absolutely not because in Quantum mechanics 2 very different states can evolve into the exact same state. John K Clark -- You received this message

Re: Tegmark and UDA

2014-03-21 Thread ronaldheld
Bruno, I have read several over the years but do not save them. Here is the latest one that I read: http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.1599 Ronald Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:37:52 PM UTC-4, ronaldheld wrote: Assuming chaotic inflation there is no consensus that

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:00 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 Mar 2014, at 22:33, LizR wrote: Am I right in assuming that in a quantum mechanical universe you can trace the history backwards? Absolutely not because in Quantum mechanics 2 very different states can evolve

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

2014-03-21 Thread bsm65
Are you still interested in talking about metabiology? http://www.axiompanbiog.com/Pages/Metabiology.aspx On Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:10:42 PM UTC-5, thermo wrote: Chaitin is currently drafting some attemps on metabiology and biological evolution of creativity. I read the latest:

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

2014-03-21 Thread Alberto G. Corona
At first sight it seems to me a bad model starting from good stuff. A better model would take algorithmic complexity into account, and living beings as algorithms that utilize universal induction to predict sequences in the environment (using solomonoff theory of universal induction). Fitness

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread meekerdb
On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com mailto:allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM,

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Mar 2014, at 20:17, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:00 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 Mar 2014, at 22:33, LizR wrote: Am I right in assuming that in a quantum mechanical universe you can trace the history backwards? Absolutely not because in

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

2014-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Mar 2014, at 19:18, bs...@cornell.edu wrote: Are you still interested in talking about metabiology? http://www.axiompanbiog.com/Pages/Metabiology.aspx On Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:10:42 PM UTC-5, thermo wrote: Chaitin is currently drafting some attemps on metabiology and

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-21 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Mar 2014, at 20:17, Jesse Mazer wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:00 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 Mar 2014, at 22:33, LizR wrote: Am I right in assuming that in a quantum mechanical

Re: Entropy and curved spacetime

2014-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Mar 2014, at 20:00, John Clark wrote: On 18 Mar 2014, at 22:33, LizR wrote: Am I right in assuming that in a quantum mechanical universe you can trace the history backwards? Absolutely not because in Quantum mechanics 2 very different states can evolve into the exact same state.

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:10 PM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24

Re: Tegmark and UDA

2014-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Mar 2014, at 20:14, ronaldheld wrote: Bruno, I have read several over the years but do not save them. Here is the latest one that I read: http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.1599 Ronald Thanks Ronald, I will take a look. Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:37:52

Re: Tegmark and UDA

2014-03-21 Thread Gabriel Bodeen
Others worth a look: http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.0589 Is Eternal Inflation Past-Eternal? And What if It Is? Susskind http://arxiv.org/abs/0712.0571 Eternal Inflation, past and future Aguirre -Gabe On Friday, March 21, 2014 2:14:41 PM UTC-5, ronaldheld wrote: Bruno, I have read several over the

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
I agree with JM on this, because it appears that the higher the quality of life, the tendency is for selecting reduced family sizes. But turning away from technology and somehow using it sustainably, would, I believe wind up with a redistribution of wealth, just using the tech we have now, and

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread spudboy100
I understand where you're coming from, Telmo, and yes, the most recent study from a NASA sponsored climate analysis does indicate that we are doomed (their wording not mine) and I disagree of course. Reducing energy consumption can get us through the short term, but the intermediate term, and

Re: Modality Independence

2014-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 21, 2014 2:11:17 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:42:13 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm not so much interested in defining CTM, as in exploding the assumptions from which CTM and other mechanistic, information-theoretical models of