You are picking up the inconsistencies given off by the Greens (red greens) and the ruling class that funds them. If we are doomed as even he NASA funded report assures us, then what's the use? If the calamity is not upon us, then we have time to rationally develop and install the clean and phase out the dirty. If the calamity is not upon us, we also have time to save the forests and the seas by technical means. But rather then address the problem directly, and seriously, the environmentalists, billionaires and their pols demand control. The control is rule over the serfs, not to better the serfs lives, or sustain the seas and forests, using rational technical means. To quote the mayor of Chicago, Rahm Emmanuel, "A crisis is a bad thing to waste." To wit: If you have a broken toilet, get it fixed, rather than make a law about toilet use.
-----Original Message----- From: LizR <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spudboy100, I'm not sure where you're coming from. You seem to agree that there is a looming environmental / resources problem, and that we should use technology to make a transition to more renewable energy sources and so on. And you agree that we should ideally reduce the population long term (the rate at which the population of a country rises appears to be inversely proportional to how well educated and equal-opportunities women are, by the way). So in other words you sound like an environmentalist ... apart from the way you keep fulminating against some idea you have that Greenies are secretly plotting to take over the world. It's all a bit confusing. On 21 March 2014 13:59, <[email protected]> wrote: Edgar, understood. But this shouldn't be the top of our priority, unless we are spreading homo sapiens to various parts of the solar system where humanity, and biomes, can be sustained for a very long time. Getting away from science fiction, there are things we can do until this golden interplanetary age. I don't see that a Paul Ehrlich response is a good way to go, or even achievable at this point. Hence, I'd prefer the technology path, rather than adopting China's one child policy. -----Original Message----- From: Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 7:52 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Spud, The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to drastically reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels would be a good target ~half to 1 billion... Anyway if we don't do it ourselves the environment will do it for us... Edgar On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:43:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: You have a point, Edgar, and you yourself do not have a bad effect on the environment. However, a billion and one half fellow firewood gatherers, might have a more profound impact, and they may do a bit more than chopping then you do. Following Maslow's hierarchy of needs, when peoples standard of living improves, they start demanding a cleaner environment, and worry more about wildlife. You are doing the good because you choose to. Others are forced to gather firewood and chop trees. I hope nobody advocates permanent poverty as a method to protect the environment. Mitch Spud, Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes. Only very rarely do I cut a live tree when it's clearly on its last legs or very ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
