Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 15:43, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I do know what I am criticizing, and view Marx and Engels claims in Manifesto, and Das Kapital as nothing more than deliberate lies to

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2014, at 12:14, LizR wrote: On 7 June 2014 22:09, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 June 2014 19:20, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Indeed I thought too that Liz's chart confirmed what I said for the industrial world. I remember but don't have the time to search right

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2014, at 12:09, LizR wrote: On 7 June 2014 19:20, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Indeed I thought too that Liz's chart confirmed what I said for the industrial world. I remember but don't have the time to search right nox that serial killing appears more in countries with

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2014, at 21:43, John Ross wrote: LizR, You need to read my book. Its main purpose is to explain the existence of the universe and it does exactly that. From what assumption? I thought you did not address that question. Also, what about consciousness? Is the brain working

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 1:21 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 22:30, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 15:43, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I do

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jun 2014, at 12:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2014 15:43, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I do know what I am criticizing, and view Marx and Engels claims in Manifesto, and

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-06-08 Thread David Nyman
On 7 June 2014 20:05, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: *At step 7, it is not in principle. Like in the preceding protocol, we just assume the existence of an infinite running of the UD in our infinite (then) space-time structure.* *The proposition is that if that is the case, and don't see

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2014, at 13:51, Richard Ruquist wrote: No, what I think is that comp cannot be falsified because it predicts a MWI universe and MWI cannot be falsified experimentally. Bruno and others seem to think that the double slit experiment is evidence for comp. But I disagree. All the

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
I send again this post, as it seems to not go through: On 07 Jun 2014, at 22:18, John Ross wrote: I do not explain consciousness. OK. Fair enough. You are not searching to explain everything. Unfortunately, consciousness has something to say on the very origin of the beliefs in the

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2014, at 22:18, John Ross wrote: I do not explain consciousness. Fair enough. You are not searching to explain everything. Unfortunately, consciousness has something to say on the very origin of the beliefs in the physical laws. You are still an Aristotelian theologian

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 2:36 PM, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Neutrons have a lifetime of about 15 minutes Yes, but only when they are independent and not attached to a proton or other neutrons inside the nucleus of an atom. after which they turn into an electron and a proton

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 7:26 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: They laughed at Galileo ... the laughed at Copernicus ... they laughed at Einstein ... but they also laughed at Bozo the clown (Carl Sagan? And for every Einstein there are 6.02*10^23 Bozo the clowns. John K Clark -- You

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread John Ross
Tronnies are each a point focus of Coulomb forces. Coulomb forces spread out from this focus point in all directions at the speed of light. The tronnies travel in circles at speeds of (π/2)c so each tronnie is always at the focus of its own Coulomb force waves directed along the diameter of

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread John Ross
If there are only protons and neutrons in atomic nuclei, then you need the magical “Strong Force”. If your neutrons are a proton and an electron then you don’t need the strong force. I am sticking with my theory. jr From: everything-list@googlegroups.com

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread John Ross
I am not trying to prove quantum mechanics incorrect. I am trying to prove my theory is correct. If my theory is correct, and quantum mechanics is inconsistent withmy theory then quantum mechanics may very well be incorrect. There is also a possibility that on some issues the two theories may

Re: Thirsty?

2014-06-08 Thread John Mikes
Thanx, LIZ and I appreciate that you did not write down RENEWABLE (energy). JM On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:44 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 June 2014 08:28, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Liz: not WATER WARS - there is plenty in th oceans. *Potable* is the word. And it is not

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread John Ross
Thanks for the advice. I made a copy of your post. As to conservation of mass-energy, if this rule is correct, how did our Universe get so big? JR -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent:

RE: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread John Ross
Liz, I try to respond to all of your points. In some cases I don’t understand your points. What is RM? And I don’t understand primitive materialism. I think time is absolute and the same everywhere in our Universe and it is unrelated to space which is nothing and goes on forever.

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jun 2014, at 00:08, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:49:30 PM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:33:28 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jun 2014, at 02:33, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:48:10 PM UTC+1, Bruno

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jun 2014, at 05:41, LizR wrote: Oops. I meant to say more but hit a wrong key and somehow sent that above one-liner. And there's no way to edit your posts...oh well, to continue... On 8 June 2014 10:08, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: But...the truth is no one minded too much PGC's attacks

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2014 09:16, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Jun 2014, at 05:41, LizR wrote: Yes comp strikes me as highly controversial, which is why have been trying to get to grips with it, to decide where I stand. But I have got stuck at the MGA and (I think) some Kripkean

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-06-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Jun 2014, at 14:28, David Nyman wrote: On 7 June 2014 20:05, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: At step 7, it is not in principle. Like in the preceding protocol, we just assume the existence of an infinite running of the UD in our infinite (then) space-time structure. The

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2014 03:33, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 7:26 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: They laughed at Galileo ... the laughed at Copernicus ... they laughed at Einstein ... but they also laughed at Bozo the clown (Carl Sagan? And for every Einstein

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2014 06:19, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Tronnies are each a point focus of Coulomb forces. Are you saying tronnies aren't particles, but excitations of this Coulomb field? Actually this implies that only the field exists, tronnies are just a convenient way of

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2014 00:30, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The same with the MWI: we still have the ability to partially chose the type of future we want to belong. We can influence the statistics of the normal realities. This makes the end of the second paragraph correct with respect to

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2014 06:33, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I am not trying to prove quantum mechanics incorrect. I am trying to prove my theory is correct. If my theory is correct, and quantum mechanics is inconsistent withmy theory then quantum mechanics may very well be incorrect.

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2014 06:50, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Liz, I try to respond to all of your points. In some cases I don’t understand your points. What is RM? And I don’t understand primitive materialism. Not understanding is the worst reason not to respond! You should ask!

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-06-08 Thread David Nyman
On 8 June 2014 22:47, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Ready? Have you bought the Mendelson? OK, I give in. I just found a reasonably-priced second-hand copy of the Mendelson on Abebooks - should be here in a few days. Oh, and by the way, I'm presently reading and enjoying Hines's Return

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
David Nyman gave a much more rigorous definition of primitive materialism in another thread (he calls it primordial). ISTM that what is supposed to be primordial about a specific set of entities and their relations is precisely that they *exclusively* underlie (or more correctly, comprise)

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Telmo's point about ganja convictions are true, save the Vice article did not mention American minorities being involved in the commission of theft, robbery, carjackings, shopliftings, beatings, while having weed on their posession. For the US police, it must be one stop shopping for them.

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2014 11:22, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Back to the death penalty. Its hard for me to determine what disuades people from murdering, if anything. For most people you don't need to dissuade them, except in extreme situations, imho. For

The Really Real Part of Reality

2014-06-08 Thread Kim Jones
In the Is Conscious Computable? and Suicide Words God and Ideas threads there is considerable overlap of discussion of primitive materialism. This is the place where the Neoplatonists and the Aristotelians get to slug it out, so to speak. I feel the quality of the discussion between David Nyman

Re: The Really Real Part of Reality

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
Thank you, I have downloaded and printed it (now I just need time to read it). The idea of Neoplatoists and Aristotelians slugging it out is intriguing, I'm surprised Monty Python doesn't have a sketch of this. On 9 June 2014 13:20, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: In the “Is

Re: The Really Real Part of Reality

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
I like the way every page is page one! That seems fitting somehow - not to mention very egalitarian... Would you or Bruno mind if I was to share this outside the everything list? I have a couple of friends who might be interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Selecting your future branch

2014-06-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:48:27AM +1200, LizR wrote: On 9 June 2014 00:30, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The same with the MWI: we still have the ability to partially chose the type of future we want to belong. We can influence the statistics of the normal realities. This

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2014 13:58, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I, for one, do not think it such a crazy idea. When I was a child, I used to chant silently 3 times the outcome I wanted before rolling a dice. Surprisingly, it seemed to work (although I could easily have been deluded by

Re: The Really Real Part of Reality

2014-06-08 Thread Kim Jones
Go for it, Liz. The more the merrier. Sorry about the eternal page one. The last thing on my mind was the pagination Kim On 9 Jun 2014, at 11:44 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I like the way every page is page one! That seems fitting somehow - not to mention very egalitarian...

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-08 Thread Kim Jones
On 9 Jun 2014, at 11:58 am, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I don't know why I didn't discuss this idea in my book. Be consoled. There is a branch of the MV where you do discuss this in your book! K Kim Jones B.Mus.GDTL Email:

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
On 9 June 2014 14:26, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 9 Jun 2014, at 11:58 am, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I don't know why I didn't discuss this idea in my book. Be consoled. There is a branch of the MV where you do discuss this in your book! But maybe in

Re: The Really Real Part of Reality

2014-06-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:35 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you, I have downloaded and printed it (now I just need time to read it). The idea of Neoplatoists and Aristotelians slugging it out is intriguing, I'm surprised Monty Python doesn't have a sketch of this. Lol, Monty Python

HAL is here!

2014-06-08 Thread LizR
Or is he (it) ? http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/08/super-computer-simulates-13-year-old-boy-passes-turing-test?CMP=twt_fd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Through The Wormhole Episode

2014-06-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
Through the Wormhole: Is God an Alien Concept? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1hexc7_is-god-an-alien-concept_shortfilms?start=2 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1hexc7_is-god-an-alien-concept_shortfilms?start=2 If you haven’t seen this episode, I highly recommend it. Early on there is an

Re: HAL is here!

2014-06-08 Thread Craig Weinberg
Nah, just more hype. Telling the judges that the computer was a 13 year old who speaks English as a second language is tampering. Why not say that they are developmentally disabled or a sociopath? No dice. At least they could have used 13 year old judges. On Sunday, June 8, 2014 10:34:10 PM

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 02:12:59PM +1200, LizR wrote: On 9 June 2014 13:58, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I, for one, do not think it such a crazy idea. When I was a child, I used to chant silently 3 times the outcome I wanted before rolling a dice. Surprisingly, it