Re: Artificial Philosophizing

2006-02-09 Thread Georges Quenot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georges wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Bruno says that: a) I am a machine. b) ...no man can grasp all aspect of man Tom says that to philosophize is one aspect of humanness that is more than a machine (i.e. simply following a set of instructions). Jef and Brent

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2006-03-06 Thread Georges Quenot
Norman Samish wrote: Why is there something rather than nothing? When I heard that Famous Question, I did not assume that nothing was describable - because, if it was, it would not be nothing. I don't think of nothing as an empty bitstring - I think of it as the absence of a bitstring

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2006-03-07 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl a écrit : Hi Bruno: As I see it, to hold that numbers are the precursor existence of all else is a selection. I would not hold that one is the precursor of the other. Rather I suggested that both could actually be the same. Georges.

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing?

2006-03-09 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl a écrit : Hi Georges: Hi Hal, I was responding to Bruno's comments. However, I would have the same response to your position. Why that selection? I wrote could. This means that it *could* be that all else be wihtin (and identical to) the world of numbers. Indeed, it could

Re: Numbers

2006-03-15 Thread Georges Quenot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Georges wrote: - The multiverse is isomorphic to a mathematical object, Context: this is a conjecture/speculation. This has to be saying simply that the multiverse IS a mathematical object. Otherwise it is nonsense. In

Re: Numbers

2006-03-16 Thread Georges Quenot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georges wrote: - The multiverse is isomorphic to a mathematical object, This has to be saying simply that the multiverse IS a mathematical object. Otherwise it is nonsense. No, because all mathematical objects, as mathematical objects

Re: Numbers

2006-03-17 Thread Georges Quenot
John M a écrit : to more recent posts: 1. do we have a REAL argument against solipsism? I am not sure to understand what you mean by REAL here. There are arguments against solipsism. Wittgenstein for instance produced some. None of them is lilkey to be decisive. They may work with some

Re: Numbers

2006-03-17 Thread Georges Quenot
John M wrote: to more recent posts: 1. do we have a REAL argument against solipsism? (Our stupidity may allow also all the bad things that happen.) 2. Is reasonable or rational thinking exclusive for ONLY those, who live in a 'numbers' obsession? or is it an elitist heaughtiness to

Re: Numbers

2006-03-19 Thread Georges Quenot
John M wrote: --- Georges Quénot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John M wrote: [...] Don't be a sourpus, I was not attacking YOU. Well. I do not know exactly why I felt concerned. I probably missed your point. [...] By George! (not Georges) don't you imply such things into my mind after my

Re: Numbers

2006-03-20 Thread Georges Quenot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georges Quénot wrote: There might be universes interacting one with each other (though from my viewpoint I would tend to consider a set of interactive universes as a single universe) but it might also be that the one in which we live is among the ones that are

Re: Numbers

2006-03-20 Thread Georges Quenot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Georges Quénot wrote: |...] And what about 3. ? if every universe is instantiated, wolrds where everyone is a sorcerer and no-one is a muggle are instantiated. That was mot my 3. There might be worlds with only muggles, worlds with only sorcerers, worlds

Re: Numbers

2006-03-20 Thread Georges Quenot
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 19-mars-06, à 14:09, Georges Quénot a écrit : I am sorry. I don't see. What Comp can say about the relation between first and third person concepts that could not be said in a simple mathematical-monism context? But this just depend of your theory of mind. With

Re: Numbers

2006-03-20 Thread Georges Quenot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Georges Quenot wrote: If you are a being that have never observed magical events any duplicate of you will never have observed any magical event either (otherwise you would differ and no longer be true duplicates). That doesn't work the other way round

Re: Numbers

2006-03-22 Thread Georges Quenot
Georges Quenot a écrit : SKIP I consider the possibility that mind emerges from matter activity. I think that modern physics and the synthetic theory of evolution provide a resonable (though partial) account for the technical capabilities of the human mind. What remains unclear to me

Re: Numbers

2006-03-24 Thread Georges Quenot
peterdjones wrote: [...] What we can be sure of is that 1) we exist 2) we are conscious 3) there is some sort of external world 4) there is some phenomenon of time. *You* are sure of that and of what it might mean. Please do not decide for others. These are all quite problematical for

Re: Numbers

2006-03-27 Thread Georges Quenot
peterdjones wrote: Georges Quénot wrote: peterdjones wrote: Georges Quénot wrote: peterdjones wrote: [...] (To put it another way: the point is to explain experience. Physicalism explains non-experience of HP universes by saying they don't exist. MM appeals to ad-hoc hypotheses about

Re: Numbers

2006-03-31 Thread Georges Quenot
peterdjones wrote: Georges Quenot wrote: peterdjones wrote: Georges Quénot wrote: It is just the idea that there could be no difference between mathematical existence and physical existence. Then why do we use two different words (mathematical and physical) ? For various historical

JOINING post

2004-01-06 Thread Georges Quenot
Hi all, I am Georges Quénot. I have a PhD in Computer Science. I have worked on computer architectures dedicated to speech recognition and image processing. I am now more on the software side and I am working in the field of Multimedia Information Retrieval. My main work is not so related to the

Is the universe computable?

2004-01-06 Thread Georges Quenot
I start from a part of this post from David Barrett-Lennard (Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:48:49) but I could probably hev selected several similar other ones: Given the source code for the simulation of our universe, it would seem to be possible to add some extra instructions that test for a certain

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-07 Thread Georges Quenot
Georges Quenot wrote: [...] I would be interested in reading the opinions of the participants about that point and about the sense that could be given to the question of what happens (in the simulated universe) in any non- synchronous simulation when the simulation diverges ? Thanks

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-07 Thread Georges Quenot
John M wrote: Dear Georges, to your series of questions I would like to add one as first: What do you call universe? I would naively answer: the universe in which I live according to the current intuition I have of it. I am not sure this makes sense and I also understand that others may have

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-08 Thread Georges Quenot
John M wrote: George Q wrote (among many others, full post see below): A.the universe in which I live according to the current intuition I have of it and B: the possibility to simulate the universe at any level of accuracy. First I wanted to ask what is intuition, but let us stay with

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-09 Thread Georges Quenot
Norman Samish : Max Tegmark, at http://207.70.190.98/toe.pdf, published in Annals of Physics, 270, 1-51 (1998), postulates that all structures that exist mathematically exist also physically. Max Tegmark postulated or conjectured even more in that paper: that the distinction between

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-09 Thread Georges Quenot
Bruno Marchal wrote: At 11:34 08/01/04 +0100, Georges Quenot wrote: I am very willing (maybe too much, that's part of the problem) to accept a Platonic existence for *the* integers. I am far from sure however that this does not involve a significant amount of faith. Indeed. It needs

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-09 Thread Georges Quenot
Bruno Marchal wrote: At 09:45 09/01/04 +0100, Georges Quenot wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: At 11:34 08/01/04 +0100, Georges Quenot wrote: I am very willing (maybe too much, that's part of the problem) to accept a Platonic existence for *the* integers. I am far from sure

Maximization the gradient of order as a generic constraint ?

2004-01-10 Thread Georges Quenot
In a previous post in reply to Hal Finnay, I have suggested the use of a particuliar case of additional conditions to the hypothetical set of equation that would rule ou universe. This is an attempt to clarify it while taking it out from the computation perspective with which it has nothing to do.

Re: Maximization the gradient of order as a generic constraint ?

2004-01-12 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Finney wrote: Georges Quenot writes: Considering the kind of set of equation we figure up to now, completely specifying our universe from them seems to require two additional things: 1) The specification of boundary conditions (or any other equivalent additional constraint

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-13 Thread Georges Quenot
Wei Dai wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 05:32:05PM +0100, Georges Quenot wrote: Many other way of simulating the universe could be considered like for instance a 4D mesh (if we simplify by considering only general relativity; there is no reason for the approach not being possible

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-13 Thread Georges Quenot
Bruno Marchal wrote: At 13:36 09/01/04 +0100, Georges Quenot wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: It seems, but it isn't. Well, actually I have known *one* mathematician, (a russian logician) who indeed makes a serious try to develop some mathematics without that infinite act of faith (I

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-16 Thread Georges Quenot
Bruno Marchal wrote: At 10:14 13/01/04 +0100, Georges Quenot wrote: Some people do argue that there is no arithmetical property independent of us because there is no thing on which they would apply independentkly of us. What we would call their arithmetical properties is simply a set

Who believe in Concepts ? (Was: An All/Nothing multiverse model)

2004-11-14 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: I would appreciate comments on the following. I placed the definitions at the end for easy group reference. Proposal: The Existence of our and other universes and their dynamics are the result of unavoidable definition and logical incompleteness. Justification: 1) Given

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-14 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: 4) A Something: A division of the All into two subparts. That too, sounds bad to me. It might well be that the only something that deserve the title of Something would be the All itself. Everything else might appear so only in our minds (and/or in other types of minds). Georges.

Re: Who believe in Concepts ? (Was: An All/Nothing multiverse model)

2004-11-15 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: At 07:56 AM 11/14/2004, you wrote: Hal Ruhl wrote: I would appreciate comments on the following. I placed the definitions at the end for easy group reference. Proposal: The Existence of our and other universes and their dynamics are the result of unavoidable definition and

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-15 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: At 08:16 AM 11/14/2004, you wrote: Hal Ruhl wrote: 4) A Something: A division of the All into two subparts. That too, sounds bad to me. It might well be that the only something that deserve the title of Something would be the All itself. Everything else might

Who believes in Boundaries ? (Was: An All/Nothing multiverse model)

2004-11-15 Thread Georges Quenot
Georges Quenot wrote: Hal Ruhl wrote: At 08:16 AM 11/14/2004, you wrote: Hal Ruhl wrote: 4) A Something: A division of the All into two subparts. That too, sounds bad to me. It might well be that the only something that deserve the title of Something would be the All itself

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-16 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: [...] The idea that defining a thing actually defines two things seems self evident [once you notice it]. At least one case of unavoidable definition also seems self evident [once you notice it]. The problem with evidence is that on one side there is no other known basis to

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-16 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: Boundaries: I have as I said in one post of this thread and as I recall in some earlier related threads defined information as a potential to erect a boundary. So the All is chuck full of this potential. Actual boundaries are the Everything and any evolving Something. This is

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-16 Thread Georges Quenot
Eric Cavalcanti wrote: On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 08:39, Georges Quenot wrote: Hal Ruhl wrote: [...] The idea that defining a thing actually defines two things seems self evident [once you notice it]. At least one case of unavoidable definition also seems self evident [once you notice

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-16 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: At 05:39 PM 11/16/2004, you wrote: Hal Ruhl wrote: [...] The idea that defining a thing actually defines two things seems self evident [once you notice it]. At least one case of unavoidable definition also seems self evident [once you notice it]. The problem with evidence is

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-16 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: At 05:58 PM 11/16/2004, you wrote: Hal Ruhl wrote: Boundaries: I have as I said in one post of this thread and as I recall in some earlier related threads defined information as a potential to erect a boundary. So the All is chuck full of this potential. Actual boundaries

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-16 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: At 08:48 PM 11/16/2004, you wrote: Darwin seems to have felt this way about Origins [Stephen Gould's The Structure of Evolutionary Theory, page 2] so why should my ideas be special? We agree here. Interesting reference. Georges.

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-17 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: Hi George: Hi Hal, At 09:13 PM 11/16/2004, you wrote: Hal Ruhl wrote: My use of these words is convenience only but my point is why should existence be so anemic as to prohibit the simultaneous presence of an All and a Nothing. The prohibition does not come from an anemia of

Re: Fw: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-17 Thread Georges Quenot
Hal Ruhl wrote: All members of [is,is not] definitional pairs including the [All, Nothing] pair have a conceptual foundation within the All. Why would the [All, Nothing} pair be the only one denied a mutual and concurrent physical expression? Well... It seems that we do not share the same

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-17 Thread Georges Quenot
rmiller wrote: This is starting to sound like discussion Hume must have had with himself. Might be. And was Hume finally able to conclude something ? Georges.

Re: An All/Nothing multiverse model

2004-11-17 Thread Georges Quenot
John Collins wrote: There do exist consistent approaches to set theory where you do have a universal set and can therefore consider taking complements to be a sinle-argument operation. to bypass the obvious paradox (that any set can be used to make a necessarily larger powerset) you need to